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Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by saiya-jin »

dreta wrote: post #93

There’s a reason why people make tons of money playing the stock market against companies that artificially force gender, or racial equality. Practices like these are going to ruin your business the same way being sexist, or racist will. Either you hire the best person for the job, or you’ll be beaten by companies that do.

that's a poor strategy these days, because 1) most companies do diversity in one way or other and 2) stocks can remain irrational/affected by gazillion of other things much longer than you can remain solvent

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by doublescoop »

IndianAstronaut wrote: post #75
joeax wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never said my company emulates Yahoo. But "cool kid" or not their influence cannot be understated. Right after the Yahoo/WFH hoopla companies like Best Buy and HP followed suit. Remember this was back when she first took over CEO and everyone believed she was the "one" to turnaround the company.

I know someone at HP who suddenly had to go in to work. This put him in a situation where he had to pay thousands for day care and he threatened to leave until they finally let him work from home again.

So, an employee was doubling as a full time care giver for his children while remote working? That sounds like exactly the kind of practice that gives remote work policies a bad name in the first place.

If I found out one of my employees was taking care of his kids while working at home, you better believe it would result in a conversation and a possible revocation of his use of the remote work policy.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by jimmywanger »

wattt wrote: post #130
wp1 wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FTFY: The guy you go to lunch with during your on-site interview @Google is most likely the one who hasn't completed interview training yet .

FTFY: the PERSON you go to lunch with...

FTFY, guy and dude are pretty much asexual references for a person you don't know who you had a personal interaction with, at least in California.

"Who did you have lunch with? Oh, some dude."

Try not to language police here. You're not bringing anything to the discussion.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by talmand »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #179
talmand wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the claim that back when it was 80% men they were hired in those numbers simply because of their gender?

No claim. Just astonished at the assumption implicit in this thread, that it can't be correct that 80% of competent managers at Yahoo! are female.

I don't necessarily think the complaint is that they are incompetent because they are female. The complaint of gender bias is still valid even if the people who benefited from the bias are fully capable of the job. If it can be shown that the 80% women were not hired based on gender bias then the complaint is unjustified.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by CaptSpify »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #179
talmand wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the claim that back when it was 80% men they were hired in those numbers simply because of their gender?

No claim. Just astonished at the assumption implicit in this thread, that it can't be correct that 80% of competent managers at Yahoo! are female.

I don't think people are upset that 80% are female, I think it's that 80% changed to female. That stat is too high to be coincidental

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by leaveyou »

paulcole wrote: post #164
leaveyou wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't deny that the situation must be analyzed carefully but going from "less than 20 percent female" to "more than 80 percent female" in less than 2 years leaves little room for doubt. Also this adds up to the undisclosed security breach and the fact that Yahoo secretly scanned emails for US Intel.. Not a very defensible behavior.

You had no problem with them being 80% male?

I had no problem with it, why would I have ? Some workplaces have 99% men, others 99% women but very few workplaces fire out 60% of their employees just because their gender is not trendy anymore.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by electriclove »

iamleppert wrote: post #52

Just reading this brought back memories of working at LinkedIn, and why I'll never again work for a company who has institutional performance review processes. That pretty much excludes all big tech companies and I'm perfectly fine with that. The cookie-cutter performance review process is impersonal and has absolutely nothing to do with helping people do their best work. In my case, I had a manager who simply didn't…

If your manager pushed you out because you are gay, that is discriminatory. I'm truly sorry to hear that and I hope something is done at LinkedIn so that environment is changed.

However, there are usually two sides to a story. I hope you are also considering the possibility that it had to do with your work, your work ethic, your ability to work with others, your ability to take direction, etc.

Speaking as someone on the other side, I hate PIPs too as well as the institutional performance review processes. I wish I could get rid of low performers easily but it is pain.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by roninb »

ceejayoz wrote: post #146
lhnz wrote: post #91

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Implicit bias tests could end up becoming another big embarrassment for psychology. Worth reading this tweet storm [0] for the little amount of conflicting [1] literature that is available. I wouldn't treat a Vox article as evidence that something is true. [0] https://twitter.com/Billare/status/783482251761815552 [1] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cfz6CgVWQAELrwZ.jpg:large

> I wouldn't treat a Vox article as evidence that something is true. > Worth reading this tweet storm... LOL.

I usually wouldn't agree with this because plenty of experts have twitter accounts that are more reliable and accurate than text books in their field.

That said, this account doesn't seem to have any provable credentials associated with it and lacks even a first and last name...

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by mcguire »

romanovcode wrote: post #87
ComodoHacker wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you judge mere on the fact that some lawsuit was filed? Without hearing, without proofs presented, without looking into other party's version? Perhaps this is exactly what someone is expecting from you now.

"When Savitt began at Yahoo the top managers reporting to her … including the chief editors of the verticals and magazines, were less than 20 percent female. Within a year and a half those top managers were more than 80 percent female" Taken from the article, do you really need more proof?

Also from the article:

"Yahoo’s diversity reports indicate that the percentage of women in leadership positions at the company rose slightly to 24 percent in 2015 from 23 percent in 2014."

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by kelukelugames »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #163

This whole thread is deeply disturbing. The bald statement in the headline is deeply disturbing. The fundamental assumption that women can't possibly be deserving of management positions. That any objective measure of performance would certainly favor men. That any man that loses his job to a woman has been treated unfairly.

Joe, no need to feel disturbed. HNers are good people. I used to think otherwise, but dang corrected me. The percent of misogynists or racists is far less than 100%. I would say at least 80% of the comments in this thread are not sexist in anyway. Which to be honest is pretty good.
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