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Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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I'm extra-suspicious of this lawsuit because of the opportunistic timing. He was fired in January 2015, more than 1.5 years ago. And yet the lawsuit is only filed now during Verizon's process of closing its acquisition of Yahoo. Whether or not he has a case, his motives now have an antagonistic taint because he no doubt timed this to maximize the PR damage and his chances of getting a quick settlement.

If the article is a good preview of the case, it does seem to be bullshit... The mechanism by which this discrimination supposedly happen was the stack ranking feedback system. Now I believe stack ranking is stupid and somewhat cruel. But I don't see how it allows more discrimination than other grading systems. The lawsuit also doesn't claim intent and it'd be quite a stretch to assign liability to the CEO for hard-t…

Now, once the lawsuit is filed, he gets to do discovery. And if some exec at Yahoo has ever said something over email to the effect of aggressively promoting women, and, given the current set of beliefs in the Valley, it is hard to believe nothing would turn up, the guy might have struck gold here.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Anyone who was unkind to Ellen Pao should really be rethinking themselves about now. Edit: Hn thread: why is diversity so important? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12576806 Me: if diversity is not important than this lawsuit is a joke and HN should be laughing at this lawsuit.

Funny you should mention her. I'm 100% sure that it can't be coincidence that the only "really bad CEOs" I keep hearing about on social media are Pao, Meyers and Elizabeth Holmes. But people really don't react kindly to accusations of sexism without proof. I wonder how unlikely it is that the 90% of male CEOs in high tech are all exemplary.

In recent times (5 years-ish), those three are about the most spectacular/ popular failures/ scandals (more of a scandal and less of failure in the case of Pao and Meyers) happened. Seeing that reddit is easily like the 2nd or 3rd most popular "social media" (with a loose definition of the term), is it a surprised an issue involving it would be popular on social media? And if any white male want to try starting a 10B fraudulent company, I have faith that HN will be dragging your name all over the place bashing you as well.

That said, when I read "really bad CEOs on social media" and tried to think of an example.... "Steve Balmer" comes to mind. I took the liberty of searching for just "steve balmer" on the HN's search. First article reads "Why Balmer failed", and this is a couple of link down: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6263205 .

Microsoft did NOT fail during his tenure as a CEO, and that is how he's judged. You might consider if your sampling is having a bias.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

#33

Anyone who was unkind to Ellen Pao should really be rethinking themselves about now. Edit: Hn thread: why is diversity so important? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12576806 Me: if diversity is not important than this lawsuit is a joke and HN should be laughing at this lawsuit.

Funny you should mention her. I'm 100% sure that it can't be coincidence that the only "really bad CEOs" I keep hearing about on social media are Pao, Meyers and Elizabeth Holmes. But people really don't react kindly to accusations of sexism without proof. I wonder how unlikely it is that the 90% of male CEOs in high tech are all exemplary.

I dunno Jack Dorsey, the guy from Just Mayo, Blue Apron, there have been some pretty damning exposes on male CEOs in the tech industry just in the past few weeks. Hell, plenty of valid criticism is made of people like Steve Jobs and Mark Zuckerberg.

Granted, I'm not on twitter or facebook, but from what I understand social media is a hellscape and should be avoided at all costs.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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I was once a fan of Mayer when she first took over Yahoo, until she led a crusade against remote workers. As a remote worker myself I can tell you this crusade sent ripples throughout the industry. A lot of tech companies (especially outside the bay area) want to emulate the cool kids like Yahoo, Google, and Apple, and even the company I work for started questioning its WFH policies.

So no, I don't feel sorry for her one bit.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

#35
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To what end? Yahoo is dead and being purchased by Verizon already for an agreed upon price. I guess they could back out, but that seems unlikely.

Not totally unlikely https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/06/report-verizon-wants-1-bil...

Another version of the story made it to the HN frontpage: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12657576

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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post #34

I was once a fan of Mayer when she first took over Yahoo, until she led a crusade against remote workers. As a remote worker myself I can tell you this crusade sent ripples throughout the industry. A lot of tech companies (especially outside the bay area) want to emulate the cool kids like Yahoo, Google, and Apple, and even the company I work for started questioning its WFH policies. So no, I don't feel sorry for her…

Dude, Yahoo stopped being a "cool kid" a decade ago. That's really messed up if your company actually thinks it should emulate Yahoo because it's a cool company.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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post #7

I'm extra-suspicious of this lawsuit because of the opportunistic timing. He was fired in January 2015, more than 1.5 years ago. And yet the lawsuit is only filed now during Verizon's process of closing its acquisition of Yahoo. Whether or not he has a case, his motives now have an antagonistic taint because he no doubt timed this to maximize the PR damage and his chances of getting a quick settlement.

If the article is a good preview of the case, it does seem to be bullshit... The mechanism by which this discrimination supposedly happen was the stack ranking feedback system. Now I believe stack ranking is stupid and somewhat cruel. But I don't see how it allows more discrimination than other grading systems. The lawsuit also doesn't claim intent and it'd be quite a stretch to assign liability to the CEO for hard-t…

Because performance reviews are highly subjective to begin with, you can easily hide discrimination behind the guise of stack ranking. It's easy to prove liability, she is CEO she has all this performance data at her fingertips.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

#38

Anyone who was unkind to Ellen Pao should really be rethinking themselves about now. Edit: Hn thread: why is diversity so important? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12576806 Me: if diversity is not important than this lawsuit is a joke and HN should be laughing at this lawsuit.

Funny you should mention her. I'm 100% sure that it can't be coincidence that the only "really bad CEOs" I keep hearing about on social media are Pao, Meyers and Elizabeth Holmes. But people really don't react kindly to accusations of sexism without proof. I wonder how unlikely it is that the 90% of male CEOs in high tech are all exemplary.

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Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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post #34

I was once a fan of Mayer when she first took over Yahoo, until she led a crusade against remote workers. As a remote worker myself I can tell you this crusade sent ripples throughout the industry. A lot of tech companies (especially outside the bay area) want to emulate the cool kids like Yahoo, Google, and Apple, and even the company I work for started questioning its WFH policies. So no, I don't feel sorry for her…

Dude, Yahoo stopped being a "cool kid" a decade ago. That's really messed up if your company actually thinks it should emulate Yahoo because it's a cool company.

I never said my company emulates Yahoo. But "cool kid" or not their influence cannot be understated. Right after the Yahoo/WFH hoopla companies like Best Buy and HP followed suit. Remember this was back when she first took over CEO and everyone believed she was the "one" to turnaround the company.
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