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Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS

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Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS

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I'm saying that yes, webrtc is part of the HTML 5 web and so should be a basic human right. I'm not saying that it is though.

Except when WebRTC actually isnt a part of HTML5 (yet), it's only a draft specification.

Stop bringing logic and facts to a pitchforks and torches kind of discussion.

/sarcasm

Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS

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Seriously..... as an industry we've been back porting code and implementing browser specific hacks since day 1. Since Netscape Navigator, since every version of IE. Is it a pain? yes but ultimately it's the world we live in and i for one am glad.

If every browser just focused on 'the specs' where would the innovation come from. In fact i'd strongly argue that Apple / iOS is the reason we have such a standard web based eco system at the moment. I mean who remembers the dark days of Java Applets, ActiveX components and browser specific plugins? Apples firm stance on the lack of plugin support was a major factor in their demise and the birth of the amazing rich JS & HTML5 world that many here seem to take for granted.

In short it strikes me as the wines of a spoilt child complaining about their parents forgetting that they are the one's who taught them how to tie their shoes.

Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS

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You probably never used "add to homescreen" before. PS. 50% of these group of apps are web applications - https://postimg.org/image/59r83pe5f/ Why shouldn't i be an ordinary user? All of these web apps are money related ;)

What feature does AliExpress on Android have that isnt supported by Safari? Is that DHL site using Web Push Notifications for either Android or Apple platforms?

In the example of using web applications on mobile, this is a apprioriate screenshot. Not for something else

Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS

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Definitely a PR stunt, but even so, being sued because you are so behind on standards that it's hurting other businesses certainly puts the spotlight on you.

"So behind on standards". Remind me which browser engine has 100% es6 support? Now remind me which half-baked web api exposes local network information to the JavaScript environment. Oh right. It's HN so apple is the work of the devil and Google is basically Jesus returned.

It's more that Apple is being very selective about which features to not include. Full screen support? Why would you not have that implemented yet in iOS? Notifications... all of these things lead to the conclusion that this isn't about security, it's about protecting the platform.

Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS

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Many of the HTML5 technologies Apple is steering clear from make the Web more App like meaning they become a threat to their dominance with the App Store on their own platform. The longer they take to adopt them the longer they can benefit from the exclusiveness and control over iOS app ecosystem. I don't think sueing them will get them anywhere but it might be a push to get them understand that users are aware of th…

Google Cloud Messaging for Push Notification is one great features which iOS stunted support for. It's amazing on Android, users can subscribe through a webpage, receive push notifications for news and stuff after leaving or closing the site. It's as if they have a native app installed and it's great for engagement. Shamefully not easily implementable on iOS like on Android.

Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS

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When I see someone suing a company for not innovating fast enough and opening with sexist terminology[0] I just close the tab and move on. [0] - "Anyone running html5test ( http://html5test.com/ ) on his iPhone"

I think it may have more to do with the article being written by a native French speaker than sexism.

One of my friends routinely says things like "a woman has rights to his body" when speaking in English because in French possessives agree with the object not the subject, and the French word for body, "corps", is masculine.

In this case, since iPhone starts with a vowel, in French you'd say "son iPhone", so "his iPhone", perhaps.

Alternatively, in French you also always tend to the masculine form in the general case, so maybe that's it? It just strikes me as extremely unlikely that anyone would think, consciously or otherwise, that women don't have iPhones.

Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS

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It's really hard to believe that Apple is holding back the 'mobile web' when it's shown time and time again that they have the best performing web platform in the market. It was true when iPhone was introduced in 2008, it was true in 2015[0] and it is still true now[1]. "In a nutshell, the fastest known Android device available today -- and there are millions of Android devices much slower than that out there -- perf…

I can single handedly can make the faster browser the world has ever seen, by only displaying a white page.

Don't use speed as an argument.

Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS

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post #88

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Isn't it obvious? If they supported things like PWAs and other mobile web initiatives, people could build applications that run seamlessly on their phone, look like native apps etc, and they wouldn't go through their highly lucrative app store. As phones get more and more powerful and things come along and mature like webgl etc, the reliance on native apps drops more and more. As does Apple's control. Maybe I should…

For Apple, the App Store is not 'highly lucrative'.

Really? Don't they make 30% on every sale, including any subscriptions, iaps, and basically any money that changes hands? Don't they make it impossible for you to sell software that runs on iOS devices without them taking a cut? Wouldn't PWAs + some kind of external payment engine (paypal or whatever) completely bypass this?

I realise they also make a lot on hardware, but it seems like that's a revenue stream they wouldn't want to lose.

Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS

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someone should also sue Apple (and Google?) for worse performance in the webview. something that run smoothly on native Safari was laggy in webview. haven't checked in a while though, not sure if this is still the case.

WKWebView is supposed to fix this issue.

https://developer.apple.com/reference/webkit/wkwebview

Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS

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It's obvious you are not a web developer using HTML5/CSS3/ES6. iOS has became the new Internet Explorer hands down, and now it's the first platform I test on to check for compatibility issues (as it's the one that normally gives those issues).

Nope. (Front end) web developer by trade. What I say I say from experience - I've never had a client ask for a feature that Safari doesn't support. However, clients do ask for things like a carousel, which Chrome doesn't support natively. iOS is a significantly easier support target compared to Android due to how much of a stable target it is. Android is a bit of a 'which Android?' when it comes to browser support.

Are you kidding me? "Which Android" doesn't even make sense in terms of the browser, it's not tied to OS releases and is therefore the same on every phone (except freaking Samsung... Their browser is even worse than Safari). Maybe WordPress sites that need a "carousel" work better on iOS, but I can't tell you how many times I've had to go back and fix something because it won't work on iOS right. I can tell you, however, that that number is now higher than it is for ie10. So yes, it IS the new internet explorer.
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