Many of the HTML5 technologies Apple is steering clear from make the Web more App like meaning they become a threat to their dominance with the App Store on their own platform. The longer they take to adopt them the longer they can benefit from the exclusiveness and control over iOS app ecosystem. I don't think sueing them will get them anywhere but it might be a push to get them understand that users are aware of the shortcomings.
Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS
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Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
I understand your point of view and you are probably right. But to my opinion, everyone here knows Apple is blocking HTML 5 somewhat and there is almost nothing we can do about it. PS. General public/buyers don't know and i already changed from iOS, because "add to homescreen" doesn't work as well as on Android
> there is almost nothing we can do about it. Don't buy their devices. Apple is not a government that can coerce you into submission.
I was waiting for this timeless - and useless - HN riposte.
Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS
#83I'm far from one to defend Apple on most things, but is Apple doing anything intentionally malicious here?
In the United States, forcing someone to write code is compelled speech, which is a violation of the First Amendment. I'm not aware of laws in France, but in any case, this seems like a completely wrong approach to solving this problem.
The real problem here is Apple's proprietary platform.
Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS
#84The point is that feature compatibility is not everything. Apple may say that they develop webkit in a more power saving/secure/better manner than other browsers and this is the reason they lag on html5 features.
Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS
#85It's really hard to believe that Apple is holding back the 'mobile web' when it's shown time and time again that they have the best performing web platform in the market. It was true when iPhone was introduced in 2008, it was true in 2015[0] and it is still true now[1]. "In a nutshell, the fastest known Android device available today -- and there are millions of Android devices much slower than that out there -- perf…
It's obvious you are not a web developer using HTML5/CSS3/ES6. iOS has became the new Internet Explorer hands down, and now it's the first platform I test on to check for compatibility issues (as it's the one that normally gives those issues).
Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS
#86Remember when Apple was bashing Adobe for Flash and how they were about standards? (I'm going to get downvoted for this)
Anyways you were a fool for believing it.
Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS
#87Some(Apple) may say that the web/browser ecosystem is mess and it's not worth the investment though. However the restrictions on 3rd party browsers is weird. The application is sandboxed (thus no additional security threats compared to other apps) so I think the argument is political not technical.
The application is sandboxed but Apple does not really want to let third parties to put native compilers on their platform. I wonder if they could allow third party rendering engines but still force people to use Nitro (or how is their javascript engine called nowadays).
Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS
#88It's really hard to believe that Apple is holding back the 'mobile web' when it's shown time and time again that they have the best performing web platform in the market. It was true when iPhone was introduced in 2008, it was true in 2015[0] and it is still true now[1]. "In a nutshell, the fastest known Android device available today -- and there are millions of Android devices much slower than that out there -- perf…
Isn't it obvious?
If they supported things like PWAs and other mobile web initiatives, people could build applications that run seamlessly on their phone, look like native apps etc, and they wouldn't go through their highly lucrative app store.
As phones get more and more powerful and things come along and mature like webgl etc, the reliance on native apps drops more and more. As does Apple's control.
Maybe I should get back under my tinfoil hat, idk, but that is my guess as to where their reluctance comes from.
Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS
#89>Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS
Because you don't know how the law works?
Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right, but I know Apple has argued at W3C against certain web standards and for others on the basis of security in a mobile context, power efficiency and functional alignment with touch UI behaviours. We don't know why Apple has chosen to implement some features (so far) and not others. Do you really want French courts deciding those kinds of technical decisions or taking those decisions away from mobile platform ven…
Sure, that's the point of the standards process. Apple made their argument as a full member of the W3C and other standards committees. If they weren't convincing enough and the committee choose to go another way with the standard, then it's Apple's responsibility to accept that decision. After all, if the decision had gone their way, they'd expect the other vendors to adhere to it.
A standards body is not a suicide pact. If the standard in insecure, Apple should absolutely refuse to implement it.