When I see someone suing a company for not innovating fast enough and opening with sexist terminology[0] I just close the tab and move on.
[0] - "Anyone running html5test (http://html5test.com/) on his iPhone"
Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS
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Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
Certainly? How so? I'm also very curious about the monopoly. iOS has an estimated 13% market share.
I wonder what it would take for Android and IOS to be treated as distinct markets so that we can make progress on the plethora of anti-consumer and anti-competitive issues. For a market as large, valuable and consequential as "mobile platform", only ever looking at percentage seems too simplistic. Android is not a like for like replacement. A customer is not "free" to change platform because there are large financial…
Yes, that's exactly what is going on. Apple has market power from the lock-in they've established. Apple is abusing their market power to force customers on their platform to use their browser engine (and no others). Whether or not Apple has a monopoly is beside the point. This is anti-competitive behavior and if it is having a significant impact, it should be scrutinized and regulated.
Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or at least allow other browsers to compete on the platform.
This!!!! I cannot believe that Apple is allowed (even by EU) to only allow their own browser on App Store. Having a choice is always good. If it was Microsoft, the story would have been completely different today.
>If it was Microsoft, the story would have been completely different today
Yes, because, for the 10000th time: Microsoft was a monopoly in the desktop market.
Apple has never been a monopoly on the phone market.
Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS
#114It's really hard to believe that Apple is holding back the 'mobile web' when it's shown time and time again that they have the best performing web platform in the market. It was true when iPhone was introduced in 2008, it was true in 2015[0] and it is still true now[1]. "In a nutshell, the fastest known Android device available today -- and there are millions of Android devices much slower than that out there -- perf…
Isn't it obvious? If they supported things like PWAs and other mobile web initiatives, people could build applications that run seamlessly on their phone, look like native apps etc, and they wouldn't go through their highly lucrative app store. As phones get more and more powerful and things come along and mature like webgl etc, the reliance on native apps drops more and more. As does Apple's control. Maybe I should…
For Apple, the App Store is not 'highly lucrative'.
Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
Currently in the UK there is some controversy about human rights legislation and it being used inappropriately. I think human rights legislation is fundamental. As such I really, really hope no-one ever uses it for something like this, even worse to win a case. It demeans it to use it to save someone having to write a bit extra code to have their commercial application sell better in China.
I understand your point of view and you are probably right. But to my opinion, everyone here knows Apple is blocking HTML 5 somewhat and there is almost nothing we can do about it. PS. General public/buyers don't know and i already changed from iOS, because "add to homescreen" doesn't work as well as on Android
> everyone here
I think we have different definitions for "everyone".
Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS
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Lets be honest here, are you saying that a web-based real-time-communications API is a basic human right? > Apple has no reason to "not" include it, except financial gain. The reason they have not to include it is that they have different priorities than browser vendors who want to jam mobile browsers full of every unripe API under the sun (like those that dangerously leak user's real connection info even when behind…
I'm saying that yes, webrtc is part of the HTML 5 web and so should be a basic human right. I'm not saying that it is though.
Except when WebRTC actually isnt a part of HTML5 (yet), it's only a draft specification.
Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS
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Definitely a PR stunt, but even so, being sued because you are so behind on standards that it's hurting other businesses certainly puts the spotlight on you.
"So behind on standards". Remind me which browser engine has 100% es6 support? Now remind me which half-baked web api exposes local network information to the JavaScript environment. Oh right. It's HN so apple is the work of the devil and Google is basically Jesus returned.
The problem isn't so much about how apple is so behind on standards.
The problem is that they make it impossible for alternative browsers providing more up-to-date standards to exist on their platform, effectively locking away that userbase.
Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS
#118Many of the HTML5 technologies Apple is steering clear from make the Web more App like meaning they become a threat to their dominance with the App Store on their own platform. The longer they take to adopt them the longer they can benefit from the exclusiveness and control over iOS app ecosystem. I don't think sueing them will get them anywhere but it might be a push to get them understand that users are aware of th…
From ordinary users, nobody cares about the web platform on mobile. Native apps are faster, with better integration to platform APIs and features, lighter on battery, and consistent (even if a large part of an app is just a webview in a native app shell). And for developers, they can actually be monetized and attract paying users, unlike mobile browser-based apps. Safari on mobile is pretty up to date as mobile techn…
You probably never used "add to homescreen" before.
PS. 50% of these group of apps are web applications - https://postimg.org/image/59r83pe5f/
Why shouldn't i be an ordinary user? All of these web apps are money related ;)
Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
I understand your point of view and you are probably right. But to my opinion, everyone here knows Apple is blocking HTML 5 somewhat and there is almost nothing we can do about it. PS. General public/buyers don't know and i already changed from iOS, because "add to homescreen" doesn't work as well as on Android
> there is almost nothing we can do about it. Don't buy their devices. Apple is not a government that can coerce you into submission.
Now i might be in the minority here, but I feel this is akin to telling someone that lives somewhere with a landlord that won't maintain the building to "just move".
I know it's not the same scale, and i'm not trying to compare poverty and human suffering to a web browser, but IMO there are some similarities.
Switching to an entire other OS which many believe to be less secure, that in many cases doesn't have many of the same applications, and significant changes to everything you do on your device (which for many is their ONLY device connected to the internet), for a web browser?
People won't do it, and I (as a web developer) don't think they should give up everything for a few web features. But when one party is purposely holding the ecosystem back, something should be done. They need to improve, or open up the playing field to others that will improve.
IMO forcing "operating systems" to be more inclusive would be a good thing, and could really improve not only iOS, but Android and Windows as well.
I don't know how this would look legally, i'm pretty far from a lawyer, but the discussion is at the very least worth having without hand waving any complaints away with "just buy an android"
Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS
#120Many of the HTML5 technologies Apple is steering clear from make the Web more App like meaning they become a threat to their dominance with the App Store on their own platform. The longer they take to adopt them the longer they can benefit from the exclusiveness and control over iOS app ecosystem. I don't think sueing them will get them anywhere but it might be a push to get them understand that users are aware of th…
From ordinary users, nobody cares about the web platform on mobile. Native apps are faster, with better integration to platform APIs and features, lighter on battery, and consistent (even if a large part of an app is just a webview in a native app shell). And for developers, they can actually be monetized and attract paying users, unlike mobile browser-based apps. Safari on mobile is pretty up to date as mobile techn…
Yes, but people DO care about bad web browsing experiences. False correlation here.