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Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS

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Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS

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The point is that feature compatibility is not everything. Apple may say that they develop webkit in a more power saving/secure/better manner than other browsers and this is the reason they lag on html5 features.

If a user wants to use a different browser because of $reasons and is happy with it draining the battery, the user should be allowed to. There is no technical reason for not allowing other browsers to work on iOS, it's purely a ToS/market/profits issue.

Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS

#93

I'm far from one to defend Apple on most things, but is Apple doing anything intentionally malicious here? In the United States, forcing someone to write code is compelled speech, which is a violation of the First Amendment. I'm not aware of laws in France, but in any case, this seems like a completely wrong approach to solving this problem. The real problem here is Apple's proprietary platform.

I agree that Apple's management of their platform is the underlying problem, but there's no compelled speech here.

Writing code to provide better HTML5 support is only one of the ways Apple could satisfy this complaint. Lifting the developer agreement / Apple App Store restrictions that prevent third-party developers from writing browsers with better HTML5 support is another.

Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS

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post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do you feel the same way about Microsoft bundling Internet Explorer and trying to crush all competition in the browser market? Not a comparison. Windows was effectively a monopoly at the time where iOS is a strong but far from dominating force in mobile. However if you want to make this comparison, honestly? Yes. I think the suit against Microsoft was justified simply because of how blatantly obvious their practice…

This is a strange claim you're making. Squeezing out competition is bad, but banning competition in the first place is okay? Would it have been okay if Microsoft had charged a 30% tax on all sales of anything (software and content) consumable on the Windows platform on day one? Or what if the very first iPhone had a provision that for the rest of your life you were not permitted to buy a competing smartphone or parti…

> banning competition in the first place is okay?

Yes. Anti-market behavior is the usage of monopoly (or near monopoly) to destroy competing companies after the fact with underhanded tactics and is generally agreed to be a Bad Thing.

Apple's behavior when setting up iOS could be construed as anti-market, but the fact is that market never existed. Ergo if you setup a company to make a web browser for iOS, you can't claim anti-market behavior because the policy in question predates your company. You effectively attempted to enter a market that does not exist.

Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS

#96
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand your point of view and you are probably right. But to my opinion, everyone here knows Apple is blocking HTML 5 somewhat and there is almost nothing we can do about it. PS. General public/buyers don't know and i already changed from iOS, because "add to homescreen" doesn't work as well as on Android

"Apple is blocking HTML 5 somewhat and there is almost nothing we can do about it." Sure we can! Vote with your wallet and don't buy Apple's products. Or at least write a complaint to one of their support centers..

The problem is that this approach is perfectly fine when it comes to us programmers or more technical people, but for "normal" users this approach won't work, simply because they don't know the possibilities an up-to-standards iOS Safari would bring.

There's a saying; "What you don't know can't hurt you", and that can be applied for these users - whom make up the majority of iOS device users - since they don't know what they're missing out on. While you and me on the other hand knows what we're missing out on, both as programmers and users, we at least have the chance to vote with our wallets. I do, perhaps even you do, but as you can clearly see it's still not enough to even make a dent in Apple iOS device sales.

Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS

#98

I'm far from one to defend Apple on most things, but is Apple doing anything intentionally malicious here? In the United States, forcing someone to write code is compelled speech, which is a violation of the First Amendment. I'm not aware of laws in France, but in any case, this seems like a completely wrong approach to solving this problem. The real problem here is Apple's proprietary platform.

I think they just ask for Apple to let developers publish custom web browsers (not based on Apple WebKit) on the App Store, which is currently not allowed by Apple.

Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS

#100

Many of the HTML5 technologies Apple is steering clear from make the Web more App like meaning they become a threat to their dominance with the App Store on their own platform. The longer they take to adopt them the longer they can benefit from the exclusiveness and control over iOS app ecosystem. I don't think sueing them will get them anywhere but it might be a push to get them understand that users are aware of th…

It's the Chrome version of the apple store also restricted in its html5 features?
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