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Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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I was once a fan of Mayer when she first took over Yahoo, until she led a crusade against remote workers. As a remote worker myself I can tell you this crusade sent ripples throughout the industry. A lot of tech companies (especially outside the bay area) want to emulate the cool kids like Yahoo, Google, and Apple, and even the company I work for started questioning its WFH policies. So no, I don't feel sorry for her…

She laid out a good reason for doing it. I think the decision was justified.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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post #34

I was once a fan of Mayer when she first took over Yahoo, until she led a crusade against remote workers. As a remote worker myself I can tell you this crusade sent ripples throughout the industry. A lot of tech companies (especially outside the bay area) want to emulate the cool kids like Yahoo, Google, and Apple, and even the company I work for started questioning its WFH policies. So no, I don't feel sorry for her…

Dude, Yahoo stopped being a "cool kid" a decade ago. That's really messed up if your company actually thinks it should emulate Yahoo because it's a cool company.

While that's generally been true since the late 90s, when Marissa Mayer took over Yahoo did have quite the honeymoon period. Yahoo genuinely became "cool" for at least a year or 2, and everyone was glowing about Mayer being one of the best CEOs in the tech world.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny you should mention her. I'm 100% sure that it can't be coincidence that the only "really bad CEOs" I keep hearing about on social media are Pao, Meyers and Elizabeth Holmes. But people really don't react kindly to accusations of sexism without proof. I wonder how unlikely it is that the 90% of male CEOs in high tech are all exemplary.

You must be reading different social media then me since there are plenty examples of bad male CEOs. Isn't there a Twitter article on the main page? HP is a special case as they have had a run of awful CEOs (the SAP guy being one of the worst) and most damaging a criminal board. I think the jury is still out on Meyers. Holmes is basically a criminal. Not one has approached SCO or Enron bad. There are plenty of sucky…

HP, do you mean Apotheker? Fair enough. But you do not get to mention HP without Carly Fiorina.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Anyone who was unkind to Ellen Pao should really be rethinking themselves about now. Edit: Hn thread: why is diversity so important? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12576806 Me: if diversity is not important than this lawsuit is a joke and HN should be laughing at this lawsuit.

Funny you should mention her. I'm 100% sure that it can't be coincidence that the only "really bad CEOs" I keep hearing about on social media are Pao, Meyers and Elizabeth Holmes. But people really don't react kindly to accusations of sexism without proof. I wonder how unlikely it is that the 90% of male CEOs in high tech are all exemplary.

Pao doesn't deserve that label at all -- later info showed she probably fought for free speech on reddit as much as anyone -- but that doesn't come from the world's bias, merely reddit's. It was after all Alexis Ohanian who made the decision[1] that got Ellen Pao fired. Holmes, on the other hand, isn't a bad CEO, she's a scam artist. So if those are the "bad CEOs" you've been hearing about, you've been hearing from some pretty misinformed people.

Arguably the founders of Sun were pretty bad businessmen (but excellent engineers). Tim Cook's reign at Apple has been questionable. Eric Schmidt is remembered more for being some sort of Machiavellian New World Order type who is way too friendly with the State department. Steve Ballmer is sort of like Meyer in that he was blamed for not saving a company whose market was simply getting smaller. It's possible that you don't hear about bad male CEOs as much because male CEOs aren't notable simply for being CEOs.

I think that Meyer missed an opportunity to beat Google at privacy by taking it seriously. Yahoo was excellently situated for that. Once they're part of Verizon, though, it's too late. On the other hand, Ellen Pao's primary mistake was being both female and famous on reddit.

[1] - http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/07/13/details-emerge-abou...

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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post #34

I was once a fan of Mayer when she first took over Yahoo, until she led a crusade against remote workers. As a remote worker myself I can tell you this crusade sent ripples throughout the industry. A lot of tech companies (especially outside the bay area) want to emulate the cool kids like Yahoo, Google, and Apple, and even the company I work for started questioning its WFH policies. So no, I don't feel sorry for her…

She laid out a good reason for doing it. I think the decision was justified.

what was the reason she gave?

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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post #34

I was once a fan of Mayer when she first took over Yahoo, until she led a crusade against remote workers. As a remote worker myself I can tell you this crusade sent ripples throughout the industry. A lot of tech companies (especially outside the bay area) want to emulate the cool kids like Yahoo, Google, and Apple, and even the company I work for started questioning its WFH policies. So no, I don't feel sorry for her…

Don't read "How Google Works", "Work Rules" or "In the Plex" then. Meyer was just repeating the Google playbook which places a high emphasis on getting staff in the same physical space

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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post #34

I was once a fan of Mayer when she first took over Yahoo, until she led a crusade against remote workers. As a remote worker myself I can tell you this crusade sent ripples throughout the industry. A lot of tech companies (especially outside the bay area) want to emulate the cool kids like Yahoo, Google, and Apple, and even the company I work for started questioning its WFH policies. So no, I don't feel sorry for her…

She laid out a good reason for doing it. I think the decision was justified.

In the book Deep Work by Cal Newport, he uses Mayer's firing of remote employees as an example of a toxic work culture that values signalling over production. Here's the excerpt:

> In 2013, for example, Yahoo's new CEO Marissa Mayer banned employees from working at home. She made this decision after checking the server logs for the virtual private network that Yahoo employees use to remotely log in to company servers. Mayer was upset because the employees working from home didn't sign in enough throughout the day. She was, in some sense, punishing her employees for nor spending more time checking e-mail (one of the primary reasons to log in to the servers). "If you're not visibly busy," she signaled, "I'll assume you're not productive."

"Batching" email to specific times in the day is a pretty well-known productivity win, especially for people whose job it is to engage in deep work.

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