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Re: MacOS Sierra

#131
Does anyone know if a different storage engine can be used in place of iCloud?

(I ask because I'm not keen on my data being exported to foreign country with very different privacy laws and I'd also like to be able to shop around without being tied to a single storage supplier).

Re: MacOS Sierra

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post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AS an outsider looking in. What is holding a developer from moving to Linux? I don't understand the draw of OS X for developers especially the past few years. These yearly updates seem to break everyone's workflow for a while.

> AS an outsider looking in. What is holding a developer from moving to Linux? I don't understand the draw of OS X for developers especially the past few years I've used UNIX for ages, started on Sun OS (pre-Solaris), HP-UX, have used several early Linux distros, RedHat, SuSE, Debian, Mandrake (!), FreeBSD for a year or so, and now I use Ubuntu for personal stuff and Centos professionally. I wouldn't use a Linux load…

I run linux myself, but I can certainly understand that.

Re: MacOS Sierra

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post #106

Hmm, there's surprisingly little in there if you don't have (or want) an iPhone. Is it time for us that don't want to use (and only use) Apple devices to shop elsewhere?

It's free, adds lots of stuff in the backend (libs etc), it's the default version from now on (the one with all the new hardware support, security updates, etc), it fixes several bugs from older versions (and of course will introduce some new of its own, nothing is perfect), and for those "without an iPhone" it has better voice control, tabs everywhere, new Messages and Photos app, updated Mail app, and a nice Cloud integration to save you space, with on-demand transparently downloaded files.

OS X is not like some third party program that works for decades and you decide whether to bother to uprgade to the next version or not. It's more like modern browsers: it's evergreen and you're supposed, if your hardware supports it, to be running the latest version.

Re: MacOS Sierra

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I'd rather see updated Mac hardware. According to MacRumors, it's been 490 days since the last MacBook Pro Retina was released.

Why? Aside from 'just because' and 'gaming' I don't really see much in the way of big beneficial improvements. Intel's CPU haven't gotten that much better since the 2nd generation core series, and aside for efficiency, you're probably not going to notice anything using a non-workstation setup.

Re: MacOS Sierra

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So, there's no new features that anybody asked for, save the clipboard thing, which has unfortunate security implications, and there's a ton of nonsense none of us will ever use, as the Mac platform gets increasingly complex ("the computer for the rest of us" is now anything but), moves away from Unix compatability, and doesn't do anything useful with this additional complexity, but does cause emacs to crash. I'd wai…

> So, there's no new features that anybody asked for Many asked for tabs in every app, shared clipboard, more voice control, improved Photos app and better iTunes, picture in picture, and more full featured Messages app. Plus few would ask Apple to take back the ability to save space (up to tens of GB) through iCloud/Desktop integration and more. In the meantime, there's also a new filesystem on the way, already in e…

>Like? I can't possible thing anything that got made more complex, save for a couple of trivial things (with an equal amount of other stuff or more becoming easier).

UI complexity: Apple keeps moving the goalposts on its UI focus, and it shows: The new interface is WAAY more complex.

EC did some interesting unix things, which broke some stuff IIRC.

The new FS will be nice, but it's not there now.

Re: MacOS Sierra

#136

Who else is going to wait for the .2 or .3 release for better stability? It used to be that Windows was the one that was always made fun of for its instability and bugs, and everyone would upgrade to a new version only after SP1 was released. Well, at one point it got even more funny (for other reasons) when the very first release of Windows Server 2008 was actually Windows Server 2008 SP1 (so the first "service pack…

I think your feeling that Apple keeps dropping support for computers by releasing bloated, less stable releases is a bit off base.

I can't remember who, but I was hearing an ex-Apple employee (it was someone like Don Melton who lead the Safari and WebKit team) talk about Snow Leopard after they left Apple. They were saying the "No Major Features" tagline was something that was thought up by marketing very late in the process. Also, the bug count was on par with other releases. Sorry to drop such a bold claim without a specific citation. I think if it was more rock-solid than other releases it was more luck than anything else.

While that may not have been their goal marketing/Steve Jobs might have picked up on how that version developed. Snow Leopard dropped PPC support, which I'm sure streamlined a lot of things and shrank the size of their fat binaries. Finder was rewritten in Cocoa--which is very user-facing (and could have introduced major bugs). With the drop of PPC support it dropped support for the largest number of computers I saw in use by friends and family. OSX releases from Mountain Lion (2012) until just today with Sierra, didn't drop support for any computers. Even then, the newest computers they dropped support for were from 2010.[1]

I'm not saying new versions aren't slower than predecessors. OSX 10.0 was incredibly slow and I think there was a lot of low-hanging fruit to increase performance (heck, moving desktop rendering/compositing to the GPU lightens the load on the CPU a lot).

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS_Sierra#System_requiremen...

Re: MacOS Sierra

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I've written it elsewhere, but it might be worse repeating here:

OS X is not like some third party program that works for ages and you decide whether to bother to upgrade to the next version or not.

It's more like modern browsers: it's evergreen and you're supposed, if your hardware supports it, to be running the latest version.

Regardless of any major new features, a new version gets the security updates going forward, the bugfixes that stop for the previous OS, is the one compatible with new hardware, etc.

Re: MacOS Sierra

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post #131

Does anyone know if a different storage engine can be used in place of iCloud? (I ask because I'm not keen on my data being exported to foreign country with very different privacy laws and I'd also like to be able to shop around without being tied to a single storage supplier).

>Does anyone know if a different storage engine can be used in place of iCloud?

Obviously not. There was not even a chance in hell that that could even be possible.

Re: MacOS Sierra

#139
post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could always upgrade to Linux. Debian + stumpwm + emacs + Firefox: why use anything else?

> Debian + stumpwm + emacs + Firefox: why use anything else? Because it's 2016? What about multimedia? Or an IDE? Or my proprietary apps like Photoshop and Premiere?

PS works surprisingly well in Wine, but that I could understand.

Emacs works better than any IDE.

Your browser is usually good enough for multimedia unless you're talking about creating it.

Re: MacOS Sierra

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When I try to visit this page on my iOS device, it opens the App Store instead, where I am shown a nearly-blank screen informing me that "macOS Sierra is only available on macOS". I can then click a link to "Learn More [sic] about this app", which opens the page I originally wanted to view in Safari.
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