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Re: MacOS Sierra

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I have the same feelings about my infrequently used but trusted 2009 Mac Pro. After upgrading RAM, GPU and spending SSD disks it was performing "well-enough" after all these years. It's sad that I have to replace it not because of performance issues but being stuck with an old OS now.

Is this so terrible? Presumably El Capitan will get security updates and your machine will continue to work for some time to come.

It's kind of a pain though as there's no current equivalent machine if you've got an older Mac Pro with decent graphics card in it

For desktops it's either the aging and not user upgradable Mac Pro or the aging (but less so) iMac.

Re: MacOS Sierra

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Finally need a new Mac ! My 2009 MBP has been cast off from the upgrade train - forever to be stuck in ElCapitan :( Over the years I could upgrade the HD speed and size from 5400 rpm -> 7200 -> Momentus -> 512 GB SSD. Can't say that about the newer MBPs .. (waiting for October to see what comes out)

I have the same feelings about my infrequently used but trusted 2009 Mac Pro. After upgrading RAM, GPU and spending SSD disks it was performing "well-enough" after all these years. It's sad that I have to replace it not because of performance issues but being stuck with an old OS now.

There are patches to install Sierra on 2009 Mac Pro's.

Re: MacOS Sierra

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The new file system (APFS) will be released in 2017. It's available only as a developer preview now with macOS Sierra.

Shoot. (Siri, wake me in 2017.)

Okay, I found this on the web for 'wake me in twenty seventeen'

Re: MacOS Sierra

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So, there's no new features that anybody asked for, save the clipboard thing, which has unfortunate security implications, and there's a ton of nonsense none of us will ever use, as the Mac platform gets increasingly complex ("the computer for the rest of us" is now anything but), moves away from Unix compatability, and doesn't do anything useful with this additional complexity, but does cause emacs to crash. I'd wai…

> So, there's no new features that anybody asked for Many asked for tabs in every app, shared clipboard, more voice control, improved Photos app and better iTunes, picture in picture, and more full featured Messages app. Plus few would ask Apple to take back the ability to save space (up to tens of GB) through iCloud/Desktop integration and more. In the meantime, there's also a new filesystem on the way, already in e…

> Many asked for ... more voice control,

Colour me skeptical

Re: MacOS Sierra

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Hmm, there's surprisingly little in there if you don't have (or want) an iPhone. Is it time for us that don't want to use (and only use) Apple devices to shop elsewhere?

It's free, what does it matter what's in there for new features? Just upgrade for the security and technical improvements, see it as a patch...

Re: MacOS Sierra

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AS an outsider looking in. What is holding a developer from moving to Linux? I don't understand the draw of OS X for developers especially the past few years. These yearly updates seem to break everyone's workflow for a while.

I've been actively looking for a MBP-quality laptop that shows up on my doorstep running Fedora for about 2 years, but at this point all I'd need is a significant uptick in hardware to justify starting fresh. I'd also point out how frustrating it is that Linux laptops tend to be on the cheap side (on par with a 13" Air), or generally massive, plastic, and loud.

I don't need the latest and the greatest, but a good 4:3 or 16:10 screen and linux compatibility.

I haven't found the good combination and bought a new MBP and still happy with it.

Re: MacOS Sierra

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You'll be more or less forced to upgrade at some point. Chrome, Slack, and pretty much everything else stopped supporting 10.8 this year. Even CLI apps like Keybase refuse to run.

AS an outsider looking in. What is holding a developer from moving to Linux? I don't understand the draw of OS X for developers especially the past few years. These yearly updates seem to break everyone's workflow for a while.

>AS an outsider looking in. What is holding a developer from moving to Linux? I don't understand the draw of OS X for developers especially the past few years

I've used UNIX for ages, started on Sun OS (pre-Solaris), HP-UX, have used several early Linux distros, RedHat, SuSE, Debian, Mandrake (!), FreeBSD for a year or so, and now I use Ubuntu for personal stuff and Centos professionally.

I wouldn't use a Linux loaded laptop.

What OS X has?

Great hardware (Linus himself used to praise the Air for example -- which he used as a personal machine until 2014, and complained why no other company could make something like that -- he now uses a hi-end Chromebook).

No messing to get it to sleep, work with external monitors, including dual 4K, import camera photos and videos, work with new RAW formats, external peripherals etc. And by no messing I mean "an order of magnitude less messing that those things take in Linux".

Certified UNIX with full terminal access, bash, classic userland, etc.

Several package managers (brew, macports etc) to get 99% of anything one will need in Linux. And make && make install etc usually just works too, if one is so inclined.

Runs Linux on a VM just fine -- why would a developer pollute their OS with development environment stuff like installing DBs, compilers etc directly? And if you don't run it directly, then OS X is as good as Linux to host your developing VMs -- or SSH to some remote host.

A full, well thought out UI, even if it's not perfect. Even from 10.1 to 10.12, it never has the sudden "let's change everything and break everybody just because we can" turns that Gnome and KDE have had (I've used KDE but stopped with the 3 to 4 transition -- now I just run bare Linux or when I need a UI Linux whatever comes with Ubuntu).

Ability to run basic proprietary apps: Adobe Creative Suite, MS Office, etc. Lots of developers need those too, and I, for one, sure do for my sideprojects.

>These yearly updates seem to break everyone's workflow for a while.

No, it's just the vocal minority. Have used OS X since 2003, using it for programming (JS, Python, Java, Go, PHP, some C), video editing and music (various DAWs), and never had my workflow break, and I usually jump at a new OS the first day it comes out. The worst case was having to wait 1 month for Cubase 8.5 to support 10.11 -- but that's the fault of Steinberg for milking their customers, as other DAWs I have worked just fine, or had updates within the week or so.

Linux changes break just as many workflows (percentage wise) but there are so fewer (1/10 or so) Linux desktop users and even they so fragmented (different DEs, desktops, WMs, etc) that their laments are not really heard. Of course most major tech outlets hardly ever publish Linux related stuff in the first place, in contrast with Apple stuff that helps get eyeballs...

Re: MacOS Sierra

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So, there's no new features that anybody asked for, save the clipboard thing, which has unfortunate security implications, and there's a ton of nonsense none of us will ever use, as the Mac platform gets increasingly complex ("the computer for the rest of us" is now anything but), moves away from Unix compatability, and doesn't do anything useful with this additional complexity, but does cause emacs to crash. I'd wai…

You could always upgrade to Linux. Debian + stumpwm + emacs + Firefox: why use anything else?

>Debian + stumpwm + emacs + Firefox: why use anything else?

Because it's 2016? What about multimedia? Or an IDE? Or my proprietary apps like Photoshop and Premiere?

Re: MacOS Sierra

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Yeah, it is appalling. Making Macs has truly become a tiny side business for Apple in more ways than one. It's clear that Macs don't make a dent in its profits and so aren't important. Considering how much money Apple has, it's not an issue of not having people to work on this or of lack of talent.

I'd love a new Mac as much as anyone else, but really for what they do, they do most everything well right now. Until prices favor a major upgrade or Apple favors a major change to macOS, I'm not sure it makes a lot of sense to do an iterative update of the non-mobile line. A new iPhone moves products. A new Mac, not as much. The desktop/laptop realm enjoys a great amount of freedom in that most everything works well…

I get your points, but Apple's inattention poses a few issues for certain users:

a) There are machines with better spec'd hardware from other vendors while Apple sits around doing nothing or close to nothing for a few years.

PLUS

b) At any point in time, there are people with older Macs who'd like to upgrade to the current state-of-the-art...or more importantly, to get the best bang for their buck.

PLUS

c) Apple continues selling older hardware at the same prices and does not reduce prices over time until it releases a new model, which could be several years later. This makes the hardware overpriced compared to non-Apple ones.

The above combination of factors make it quite hard to justify expenses on older hardware for a good number of Mac users (as can be seen on various forums) who're invested in the Mac/OS X platform and wouldn't want the hassle of switching to Windows or Linux. It thus creates a lot of fence-sitters who keep refreshing the Macrumors Buyer's Guide regularly and hope for something to happen.

Re: MacOS Sierra

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> "Copy a quote, image, or video from an app on one device and paste it into an app on another device." Oh my I'm looking forward to this. How many silly workarounds (pastebins, email drafts, iMessages to self, Safari bookmarks) have we used to approximate this?

> How many silly workarounds have we used for this?

As a Linux and android user, I would have to say none. KDE Connect does this and is absolutely great.

It's a good feature and I'm not surprised that Apple copied it.

What does surprise me is how it's seemingly copied in a insecure way which includes cloud transfer, and not keeping it constrained to your LAN.

Oh well.

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