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HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Post by calgoo »

vlehto wrote: post #51
woliveirajr wrote: post #21

Laser OKI color printer isn't different. Each toner (CMYK) has a life based on printed pages and stop working even if there's toner inside. No third part supplier, because the printer won't recognize it. And it's useless torefill it if you don't change some chip in each toner. And then the fusor will also stop after some number of pages, no matter if the quality was still good. To replace it you spend more than you p…

Life based on printed pages would be OK. If you actually print the number pages you promise, I can compare the total costs of cartridges and printers. But I think some models also have timer. After 6 months or year, the printer starts to complain that the ink has "dried up". To prohibit you from saving up that unicorn blood by printing less. By banned list is HP, Canon and I'm very cautious about Samsung.

Samsung printers where just bought by HP, so forget about them as well?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-12/hp-inc-buy...

Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Post by ptaipale »

dec0dedab0de wrote: post #79

As an aside, does anyone remember the last time they were happy with ANY HP product? Everytime I see that logo I get chills knowing what a pain in the ass it's going to be. Edit: I am specifically thinking about HPSM, and HPNA here.

I'm using 820, 840 and 725 laptops which in my opinion offer a good balance of price and performance. At least they did when I last bought them and I compared to what I could find on the market.

There's something funny with some Linux kernel versions, which shows up as kacpid hogging up a lot of CPU time, but you can disable it by echoing disable to the /proc filesystem. You may find such issues with very many laptops. But the physical and ergonomic things are very OK, considering the price, with these laptops.

Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Post by ptaipale »

userbinator wrote: post #65

Because of this sudden influx of complaints, it didn’t take long to trace the “failures” to a HP firmware update that was released during the spring. I wonder how long it'll be until someone hacks it and releases a firmware that has the checks patched out. I vaguely remember this being done for a few other chipped-cartridge printers many years ago, although that was more intended for CIS ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wi…

Patching the firmware might be possible, but 99.42 % of consumers and corporate users won't be doing such things even if the instruction is provided to them on some Web page.

Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Post by PieterH »

bArray wrote: post #59

I think this calls for a cheap open source printer to be made. Nothing complex is needed initially, just black and white with low running costs. In reality, any liquid that stains the paper of a given consistency should be fine. It shouldn't be costing this much to replace ink.

All you need to do is buy from a business that doesn't depend on fraud. Samsung make very nice and cheap black & white laser printers. I've bought two over the last few years, around $70. I see one on Amazon for $75 that has wifi printing as well), comes with a cartridge that lasted me 2-3 years and some thousands of pages, and replacement cartridges are $60 for branded ones, less than half that for generics. The printer is tiny, quiet, fast, etc. I can't believe people still buy anything else, after all we don't print photos at home much anymore, do we?

There are other manufacturers that do the same kind of model.

Just avoid HP and (in my experience) Canon. Laser is the way to go.

Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Post by gaius »

dec0dedab0de wrote: post #79

As an aside, does anyone remember the last time they were happy with ANY HP product? Everytime I see that logo I get chills knowing what a pain in the ass it's going to be. Edit: I am specifically thinking about HPSM, and HPNA here.

HP 3000's and 9000's were decent.

Still use my HP 12C too!

Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Post by smacktoward »

PieterH wrote: post #84
bArray wrote: post #59

I think this calls for a cheap open source printer to be made. Nothing complex is needed initially, just black and white with low running costs. In reality, any liquid that stains the paper of a given consistency should be fine. It shouldn't be costing this much to replace ink.

All you need to do is buy from a business that doesn't depend on fraud. Samsung make very nice and cheap black & white laser printers. I've bought two over the last few years, around $70. I see one on Amazon for $75 that has wifi printing as well), comes with a cartridge that lasted me 2-3 years and some thousands of pages, and replacement cartridges are $60 for branded ones, less than half that for generics. The pri…

Good news! HP just bought Samsung's printer business. http://www.anandtech.com/show/10677/hp-acquire-samsung-print...

Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Post by brightball »

PieterH wrote: post #78
froh42 wrote: post #71

Such behaviour is the reason I threw out a perfectly working HP OfficeJet one day and will never buy a single HP printer in my life. In the OfficeJet in question I only used genuine cartridges, but every few year it would stop receiving black and white faxes because (the nearly full) color cartidge was passing its expiry date - forcing me to throw away the full color cartridge and buying a new one.

That is so corrupt. HP deserve a total boycott.

How is this not a class action lawsuit?

Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Post by brassic »

DavideNL wrote: post #57

Slightly offtopic, but, I've been using a HP printer for the past years (Photosmart D7360) and am also VERY annoyed, one example: whenever one of my color cartridges is past it's expiry date i can't print in black and white . Even though the black cartridge is brand new. I first have to go buy a new color cartridge (which i don't use) and then i can print in black again. The warning message says something like "if yo…

Most colour printers never print in just black and white. They always need a bit of yellow: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10...

Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Post by PieterH »

smacktoward wrote: post #86
PieterH wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All you need to do is buy from a business that doesn't depend on fraud. Samsung make very nice and cheap black & white laser printers. I've bought two over the last few years, around $70. I see one on Amazon for $75 that has wifi printing as well), comes with a cartridge that lasted me 2-3 years and some thousands of pages, and replacement cartridges are $60 for branded ones, less than half that for generics. The pri…

Good news! HP just bought Samsung's printer business. http://www.anandtech.com/show/10677/hp-acquire-samsung-print...

Sigh. Well, HP is doing their best to bring us into the paperless future, I suppose. Nice of them.
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