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Re: IPad is Steve Jobs’ final victory over Steve Wozniak

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Post by xiaoma »

whatusername wrote: post #84
xiaoma wrote: post #77

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> Do you know what you have to do to get a ringtone on the iPhone? Yep. They're free. Just download them as podcasts. http://macmost.com/free-iphone-ringtones Or even use iTunes to make them out of music on your computer: http://www.ehow.com/how_2160460_custom-iphone-ringtones-free...

So if someone pre-generates a strange file-format for you - it's almost as simple as my 5 year old nokia. Or there's a 17 step process. The way the iPhone handles it's ringtones is a step back from how most normal phones did. (// Note to American readers - if your carrier blocks a function - it means you have a bad carrier - not a bad phone) The iPhone excelled in having a great browser. And looking gorgeous. As far…

I've never bought or owned a cellphone in America. My only basis for comparison is previous phones in Taiwan and Japan.

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Post by rbanffy »

houseabsolute wrote: post #35
samd wrote: post #32

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The consumer isn't choosing the iPhone or iPad because it is closed, they are choosing it because it is easy to use, sexy, and supported by lots of apps. You can still have those things and be open, and Android is proving it.

Android is neither as easy to use or as sexy as the iPhone. The dismal sales of the nexus one despite it's superior spec sheet and androidness are proof of this. But I do agree with you, most people buy things out of which they get the most utility, and ease of use an sexiness are a big part of that. But the person I was responding to mad the claim that people won't buy the ipad because it is closed. It would only be…

> The dismal sales of the nexus one despite it's superior spec sheet and androidness are proof of this.

In a carrier-locked-down market like the US, where the norm is to buy phones that are married to a given carrier, it only proves Apple has better marketing and carrier relations than other companies.

Also, Android is not a phone - it's a platform. The Nexus One is only one of many competing offerings - that compete not only with iPhones, but between themselves.

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Post by Hagelin »

houseabsolute wrote: post #47
abstractbill wrote: post #34

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Android gained 5.2% of the US smartphone market between December 2009 and February 2010, while the iPhone lost 0.1% ( http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=9184 ). Of course I'm not going to declare the iPhone a failure - it's clearly done very well. But I think it's still a little early to call it a winner.

In all likelihood both will continue to be part of the mobile ecosystem for some time, or until Google gets tired of throwing money at the problem. But as I said to another responder, the iPhone is one device on one carrier per country, and Android is many devices on all carriers. They are hardly on equal footing for a purely numerical battle for superiority, but still iPhone is winning.

the iPhone is one device on one carrier per country

One carrier per country isn't true here in Sweden, and I'm guessing we're not a unique case. All the major carriers sell it here.

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Post by gte910h »

whyenot wrote: post #42
gte910h wrote: post #30

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You're wrong. Read section 3.3.2 of http://www.eff.org/files/20100302_iphone_dev_agr.pdf Search the document for "interpreted code" They expressly forbid it except for "included interpreters" aka javascript. So hypercard is out of the running.

Corona SDK http://anscamobile.com/corona/ is Lua underneath, and has been used by quite a few (at least 20) approved iPhone apps.

And Apple never changes position on anything and removes things from the store retroactively. Oh wait they do that all the time.

The way the agreement is written it expressly forbids interpreters. Additionally, corona is mostly compiled (although parts are still in an intermediate format see 16:30 in http://www.mobileorchard.com/corona-easy-to-implement-high-p...)

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Post by gte910h »

CamperBob wrote: post #89
gte910h wrote: post #30

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You're wrong. Read section 3.3.2 of http://www.eff.org/files/20100302_iphone_dev_agr.pdf Search the document for "interpreted code" They expressly forbid it except for "included interpreters" aka javascript. So hypercard is out of the running.

That can't be the case, or Unity3D wouldn't be able to use Mono on the iPhone.

From the monotouch faq:

>MonoTouch is delivered as a static compiler that turns .NET executables and libraries into native applications. There is no JIT or interpreter shipped with your application, only native code.

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Post by rjurney »

rbanffy wrote: post #109
rjurney wrote: post #78

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Its funny how easily people forget this - Apple created the first MARKET for mobile apps. Thats openness. Before the iPhone the mobile game was one big scam, with someone reaching into your pocket at each and every step in a long chain.

> Apple created the first MARKET for mobile apps. Thats openness. I distinctly remember being able to install software I downloaded (or made) on my Sony Ericsson P-800 a good couple years before the iPhone was announced. In fact, digging a little back, I am sure you could install PalmOS apps on your Treos since the first day they were launched. And anyone could develop for both platforms (actually, there was Java ME…

How many people did? Why so few? No market to speak of.

They made things one level free-er, which is the best they could have done given the constraints of the market and the technology. There are issues. They aren't villains for having issues.

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Post by CamperBob »

gte910h wrote: post #115
CamperBob wrote: post #89

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That can't be the case, or Unity3D wouldn't be able to use Mono on the iPhone.

From the monotouch faq: >MonoTouch is delivered as a static compiler that turns .NET executables and libraries into native applications. There is no JIT or interpreter shipped with your application, only native code.

And as of this morning, even that's not good enough. Sigh.

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Post by whyenot »

gte910h wrote: post #114
whyenot wrote: post #42

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Corona SDK http://anscamobile.com/corona/ is Lua underneath, and has been used by quite a few (at least 20) approved iPhone apps.

And Apple never changes position on anything and removes things from the store retroactively. Oh wait they do that all the time. The way the agreement is written it expressly forbids interpreters. Additionally, corona is mostly compiled (although parts are still in an intermediate format see 16:30 in http://www.mobileorchard.com/corona-easy-to-implement-high-p... )

The lua parts of corona are compiled to bytecodes, but they still run on a lua vm on the iphone. As far as Apple changing their minds, the last 24 hours have proven you right.
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