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But how about the bribes (to get e.g. electricity)? http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/12/business/global/12ikea.htm...
Yandex is a public company with stocks on NASDAQ. Can you ever imagine how it is hard to hide bribes inside of public company budget? :)
Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]
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Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
But how about the bribes (to get e.g. electricity)? http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/12/business/global/12ikea.htm...
Yandex is a public company with stocks on NASDAQ. Can you ever imagine how it is hard to hide bribes inside of public company budget? :)
Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]
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American email hosting, what could go wrong?
Yeah, I always find it amusing when people find russia and china on a lower moral/ethical ground when everything on american soil is equally watched and processed. if not by nsa, it's for ads.
Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]
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#75So having read through the slides, these are not bad slides, but I'm missing the 'real' wow-factor of why Postgres was a better choice in the end than Oracle. There's no doubt that the rewrite (which, because of PL/SQL -> PL/pgSQL, there was a rewrite) benefited them, but all I can glean from the slides is Postgres hasn't failed them yet and the rewrite worked. So as much as I want to talk about Oracle vs. Postgres,…
I'm guessing it was a few million dollars worth of wow-factor.
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#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
Russian email hosting. What could go wrong?
If you use PGP it doesn't matter where you host, right? If you're concerned about local officials having access to your data I don't think it's much worse than Google scanning my email to better target ads or "just to remind me" that I'm going at X or Y place in Z days.
Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]
#77So having read through the slides, these are not bad slides, but I'm missing the 'real' wow-factor of why Postgres was a better choice in the end than Oracle. There's no doubt that the rewrite (which, because of PL/SQL -> PL/pgSQL, there was a rewrite) benefited them, but all I can glean from the slides is Postgres hasn't failed them yet and the rewrite worked. So as much as I want to talk about Oracle vs. Postgres,…
Not having to deal with stuff like this while having the same features/performance/stability/etc may qualify as a 'wow':
Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, I always find it amusing when people find russia and china on a lower moral/ethical ground when everything on american soil is equally watched and processed. if not by nsa, it's for ads.
Asking seriously, but isn't Russia fundamentally closer to a kleptocracy? Dishonesty is apparently more pervasive and built in to their culture. From my understanding, bribe culture and cheating are an accepted norm. Not to say these characteristics do not exist in America, just not anywhere to the same extent?
Oh yeah [smiles dishonestly from across the ocean]
Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, I always find it amusing when people find russia and china on a lower moral/ethical ground when everything on american soil is equally watched and processed. if not by nsa, it's for ads.
Asking seriously, but isn't Russia fundamentally closer to a kleptocracy? Dishonesty is apparently more pervasive and built in to their culture. From my understanding, bribe culture and cheating are an accepted norm. Not to say these characteristics do not exist in America, just not anywhere to the same extent?
Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]
#80So having read through the slides, these are not bad slides, but I'm missing the 'real' wow-factor of why Postgres was a better choice in the end than Oracle. There's no doubt that the rewrite (which, because of PL/SQL -> PL/pgSQL, there was a rewrite) benefited them, but all I can glean from the slides is Postgres hasn't failed them yet and the rewrite worked. So as much as I want to talk about Oracle vs. Postgres,…
1. Price if obvious reason of migration, and in their case (multiple datacenters and "-1 datacenter" policy) it was huge benefit. 2. The other concern was Oracle's slow bugfixing and reaction to feedback. So, this is a good case showing how a company can stop wasting millions of $ for proprietary software, joining Open Source community, contributing to it and taking benefits from tech collaboration with core develope…
- PL/SQL was harder to deploy than PL/pgSQL (as stated later)
- Only synchronous interface in Oracle's OCCI
- Problems with Oracle's development environments
- Not very responsive support from Oracle.
But the dev environment and support for Postgres are not talked about.
Also I can't quite figure out if "3x more hardware" is supposed to be a good thing on their last slide. It's possible that it's a good thing (if it's, say, we can replicate to more servers), but to me it doesn't read like one.