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Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by niftich »

oneloop wrote: post #21
niftich wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It technically means 'everything, whether necessary or not' [1][2], but the subtext and context I intended it in is that their range of services is forms an extremely wide spread, which could be mistaken for a lack of focus. [1] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/everything_but_the_kitchen_si... [2] http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/everyt...

Thanks. Yeah ok but you could say the same thing about google and they're doing well. You have yandex mail, web analytics, ads etc. How is that different from what google is going? In fact, I would say that yandex is trying to google's roadmap on how to conquer the world and see if they can pull it off in russia with the advantage that they currently have there.

A few things:

- There are a lot of Googlers on HN, not so many Yandex-ers

- Google, in the general public's minds, is buoyed by positive mindshare that was generated a very, very long time ago (early-to-mid-2000s). Today's Google has appreciably changed from those days, and yet their likeability has mostly been unaffected.

- Google tried to make their lack of focus official by spinning off a corporate umbrella parent by the name 'Alphabet', like Philip Morris Companies the "tobacco" company renamed itself to 'Altria' in 2003 because at the time it owned 84% of Kraft Foods Inc., a large food and beverage company [1].

I maintain that to an American, Yandex is most analogous to Yahoo or AOL rather than Google, because Google is, as of writing, a company that makes money primarily from ads and is under transition to pursue higher revenue streams from business-to-business sources (like Google Cloud Services) more so than by brokering advertising. Whereas Yahoo or AOL are tech-media hybrids. I know Yahoo and AOL don't evoke such positive brand power anymore than, say, Google, but their structure I believe is more reflective of Yandex.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraft_Foods_Inc#Philip_Morris_...

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by johansch »

bobuk wrote: post #38
johansch wrote: post #29

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My feeling is that data center services are much cheaper and more reliable in Europe, so they have probably moved most things that are not directly frontend-facing to CIS there. (Everything just works and there are no insane bribes to pay to various mafias.)

Oh no, at least not now. Electricity and land so cheap today in Russia, what Yandex starts to build and sell their datacenter to provide "cheap AWS alternative for Russian companies".

But how about the bribes (to get e.g. electricity)?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/12/business/global/12ikea.htm...

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by untog »

alexro wrote: post #40
untog wrote: post #31

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Jesus Christ. No. It ought to be obvious to anyone that applying black and white judgements in these situations is idiotic. Do I think the US government is beyond reproach? No. Do I think the US government is more open and accountable than the Russian government? Yes. > (that with the usa gov you have facts, whereas the russian gov you have suspicions) Yes, because the US government is open and accountable enough tha…

Would Snowden agree with you?

That's actually a very interesting question. I don't know. And I doubt he is currently in a position to be very frank and honest about it.

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by bobuk »

johansch wrote: post #43
bobuk wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh no, at least not now. Electricity and land so cheap today in Russia, what Yandex starts to build and sell their datacenter to provide "cheap AWS alternative for Russian companies".

But how about the bribes (to get e.g. electricity)? http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/12/business/global/12ikea.htm...

Yandex is a public company with stocks on NASDAQ. Can you ever imagine how it is hard to hide bribes inside of public company budget? :)
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