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Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by oneloop »

niftich wrote: post #17
oneloop wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Never heard that expression, kitchen-sink, what does it mean?

It technically means 'everything, whether necessary or not' [1][2], but the subtext and context I intended it in is that their range of services is forms an extremely wide spread, which could be mistaken for a lack of focus. [1] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/everything_but_the_kitchen_si... [2] http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/everyt...

Thanks.

Yeah ok but you could say the same thing about google and they're doing well. You have yandex mail, web analytics, ads etc. How is that different from what google is going? In fact, I would say that yandex is trying to google's roadmap on how to conquer the world and see if they can pull it off in russia with the advantage that they currently have there.

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by bobuk »

johansch wrote: post #18
honkhonkpants wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yandex doesn't seem like it would appeal to the kinds of people who comment here. If you think that having your data hosted in the USA is a privacy concern, imagine having it hosted in Moscow.

They moved most of their hosting to Amsterdam (and Stockholm?) 2-3 years ago, I heard. Since then the founder has been forced out by Putin, so I guess it might be back in Moscow now though. (Haven't really had any semi-inside information for the past year.)

now it's split between Russia (for russian audience) and Netherland and Finland (for others). Also this https://sputniknews.com/world/20151024/1029057531/finland-he... may be interesting for you.

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by postila »

honkhonkpants wrote: post #9
oneloop wrote: post #2

Yandex is doing quite some interesting things, I think they don't get enough love from HN.

Yandex doesn't seem like it would appeal to the kinds of people who comment here. If you think that having your data hosted in the USA is a privacy concern, imagine having it hosted in Moscow.

Let's talk Oracle vs Postgres rather than USA vs Russia

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by jorgecastillo »

overcast wrote: post #7
jorgecastillo wrote: post #6

Yandex.Mail is my favorite email provider and I would invite anyone reading this to give it a try.

Please cite examples as to why it's your favorite Email provider.

For starters it's not very crowded on usernames, so I got to use my 'namelastname' as username, also I don't think I've seen any ads so far. Another aspect of the service I really like, is that it has less magic than Gmail. I always get email labeled wrong in Gmail. At first I tried to label them properly and expected Google to get them right over time, now I don't bother. I would definitely pay for this service if this was an option. To be fair Russia along with the US, France & Japan is one of my favorite countries, so I might be very biased.

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by oneloop »

untog wrote: post #20
oneloop wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to think that having your data hosted in Moscow is a worse privacy concern than in USA? That's a joke. You realise that google just made location tracking mandatory for anyone using maps or app store, right? The USA is way worse in this respect. Or let me re-phrase that: we know for a FACT that the USA is very very bad in this respect, whereas Russian just has a bad reputation.

I absolutely think that data hosted in Moscow is a worse privacy concern, yes - because while I don't doubt the governments of both countries are spying on that data, I trust the US government far more than I trust the Russian government. A useful series of tweets by @SwiftOnSecurity about why storing data in the US isn't a bad idea: https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/77549120598337126...

You trust the us gov? The same that has denied manning his/her rights, driven her to suicide and now hunger strike? The same that got sweden prosecutors to re-instate assange's rape accusations after they had been independently dismissed by the initial prosecutor, so they can extradite him to the us? Ok buddy, keep trusting the us gov.

I think you've been so thoroughly brain-washed by russian-hating american media that you can't even think straight any more. I realise that this isn't really an argument, but I already presented my argument (that with the usa gov you have facts, whereas the russian gov you have suspicions) and it didn't seem to make a difference, so i don't really care to continue this conversation.

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by dragonwriter »

oneloop wrote: post #13
honkhonkpants wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yandex doesn't seem like it would appeal to the kinds of people who comment here. If you think that having your data hosted in the USA is a privacy concern, imagine having it hosted in Moscow.

You seem to think that having your data hosted in Moscow is a worse privacy concern than in USA? That's a joke. You realise that google just made location tracking mandatory for anyone using maps or app store, right? The USA is way worse in this respect. Or let me re-phrase that: we know for a FACT that the USA is very very bad in this respect, whereas Russian just has a bad reputation.

> You seem to think that having your data hosted in Moscow is a worse privacy concern than in USA?

Yes. In fact, I'd say that's the case even if your only concern is with the US government.

Virtually all of the controversy over US government actions with regard to local data is about violation of expectations (some of which are codified into law) about domestic surveillance by doing things which are uncontroversial in the context of foreign surveillance, and its not like the US lacks capacity or will for foreign surveillance.

That said, Russia doesn't even have the constraints (legal or mere expectations) on domestic surveillance that the US domestic actions raise concern for violating, so if your concern extends beyond US government surveillance, then that compounds the problem when hosting in Russia.

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by oneloop »

johansch wrote: post #18
honkhonkpants wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yandex doesn't seem like it would appeal to the kinds of people who comment here. If you think that having your data hosted in the USA is a privacy concern, imagine having it hosted in Moscow.

They moved most of their hosting to Amsterdam (and Stockholm?) 2-3 years ago, I heard. Since then the founder has been forced out by Putin, so I guess it might be back in Moscow now though. (Haven't really had any semi-inside information for the past year.)

The founder has been driven out by Putin? Aren't you confusing with Parov, the founder of VK?

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by pilsetnieks »

johansch wrote: post #18
honkhonkpants wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yandex doesn't seem like it would appeal to the kinds of people who comment here. If you think that having your data hosted in the USA is a privacy concern, imagine having it hosted in Moscow.

They moved most of their hosting to Amsterdam (and Stockholm?) 2-3 years ago, I heard. Since then the founder has been forced out by Putin, so I guess it might be back in Moscow now though. (Haven't really had any semi-inside information for the past year.)

It was the Vkontakte founder, Pavel Durov, that was forced out. Yandex hasn't had any notable public conflicts with the Putin regime.

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by johansch »

bobuk wrote: post #22
johansch wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They moved most of their hosting to Amsterdam (and Stockholm?) 2-3 years ago, I heard. Since then the founder has been forced out by Putin, so I guess it might be back in Moscow now though. (Haven't really had any semi-inside information for the past year.)

now it's split between Russia (for russian audience) and Netherland and Finland (for others). Also this https://sputniknews.com/world/20151024/1029057531/finland-he... may be interesting for you.

My feeling is that data center services are much cheaper and more reliable in Europe, so they have probably moved most things that are not directly frontend-facing to CIS there.

(Everything just works and there are no insane bribes to pay to various mafias.)

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by randomnerdiness »

postila wrote: post #23
honkhonkpants wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yandex doesn't seem like it would appeal to the kinds of people who comment here. If you think that having your data hosted in the USA is a privacy concern, imagine having it hosted in Moscow.

Let's talk Oracle vs Postgres rather than USA vs Russia

So - as a long time Oracle DBA (who also loves Postgres), I've been seeing a lot of companies do this sort of move.

There are a couple of downsides, but really - there's a lot more upsides to Postgres than downsides (IMO).

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