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Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by nickpsecurity »

oneloop wrote: post #13
honkhonkpants wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yandex doesn't seem like it would appeal to the kinds of people who comment here. If you think that having your data hosted in the USA is a privacy concern, imagine having it hosted in Moscow.

You seem to think that having your data hosted in Moscow is a worse privacy concern than in USA? That's a joke. You realise that google just made location tracking mandatory for anyone using maps or app store, right? The USA is way worse in this respect. Or let me re-phrase that: we know for a FACT that the USA is very very bad in this respect, whereas Russian just has a bad reputation.

How many reporters and dissidents are murdered in the US versus Russia? Russia is way worse in civil rights and surveillance. Doesnt excuse America for the schemes they pull but it's definitely safer here unless you're in the hood.

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by trollixx »

I am using Yandex for my FOSS project's domain. So far, I haven't encountered any big issues. The web interface is plain and simple, but occasionally has some glitches.

Their mobile app (Android) is quite pleasant and lightweight.

What might be a problem for non-Russian speaking people is the lack of documentation in English. Quite often a random link redirects to a page in Russian.

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by [deleted] »

the_common_man wrote: post #58
LeonM wrote: post #50

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American email hosting, what could go wrong?

Yeah, I always find it amusing when people find russia and china on a lower moral/ethical ground when everything on american soil is equally watched and processed. if not by nsa, it's for ads.

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Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by ivan_gammel »

oneloop wrote: post #52
alexro wrote: post #37

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You can set up your own domain for free

Go on. They give you a domain? I never saw that... Link please?

No, they don't. But you can use Yandex.Mail with your own domain by configuring your DNS and setting up Yandex.Mail account. It's a great solution for small businesses and families.

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by fla »

niftich wrote: post #53

So having read through the slides, these are not bad slides, but I'm missing the 'real' wow-factor of why Postgres was a better choice in the end than Oracle. There's no doubt that the rewrite (which, because of PL/SQL -> PL/pgSQL, there was a rewrite) benefited them, but all I can glean from the slides is Postgres hasn't failed them yet and the rewrite worked. So as much as I want to talk about Oracle vs. Postgres,…

Postgres is free

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by daxorid »

untog wrote: post #20
oneloop wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to think that having your data hosted in Moscow is a worse privacy concern than in USA? That's a joke. You realise that google just made location tracking mandatory for anyone using maps or app store, right? The USA is way worse in this respect. Or let me re-phrase that: we know for a FACT that the USA is very very bad in this respect, whereas Russian just has a bad reputation.

I absolutely think that data hosted in Moscow is a worse privacy concern, yes - because while I don't doubt the governments of both countries are spying on that data, I trust the US government far more than I trust the Russian government. A useful series of tweets by @SwiftOnSecurity about why storing data in the US isn't a bad idea: https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/77549120598337126...

One word: jurisdiction. The GU might read my emails, but they don't have the authority to execute 4am raids on my property and kill me with impunity in the name of "officer safety" as an eventual consequence of something XKeyScore flagged.

At the end of the day, the people who have the guns and the authority to use them against you take a more prominent place in one's threat model than a foreign entity with no jurisdiction.

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by IncRnd »

the_common_man wrote: post #58
LeonM wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

American email hosting, what could go wrong?

Yeah, I always find it amusing when people find russia and china on a lower moral/ethical ground when everything on american soil is equally watched and processed. if not by nsa, it's for ads.

It isn't exactly a moral point but the recognition of two items: 1) the large number of people who are employed at cyber crime in certain parts of the world 2) the recognition that certain countries have a vested interest in reading the emails of the people of certain other countries

Certain people in various countries could make a similar argument about US hosted emails. This is how the world works.

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by healthnutter »

the_common_man wrote: post #58
LeonM wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

American email hosting, what could go wrong?

Yeah, I always find it amusing when people find russia and china on a lower moral/ethical ground when everything on american soil is equally watched and processed. if not by nsa, it's for ads.

Asking seriously, but isn't Russia fundamentally closer to a kleptocracy? Dishonesty is apparently more pervasive and built in to their culture. From my understanding, bribe culture and cheating are an accepted norm. Not to say these characteristics do not exist in America, just not anywhere to the same extent?

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by postila »

niftich wrote: post #53

So having read through the slides, these are not bad slides, but I'm missing the 'real' wow-factor of why Postgres was a better choice in the end than Oracle. There's no doubt that the rewrite (which, because of PL/SQL -> PL/pgSQL, there was a rewrite) benefited them, but all I can glean from the slides is Postgres hasn't failed them yet and the rewrite worked. So as much as I want to talk about Oracle vs. Postgres,…

1. Price if obvious reason of migration, and in their case (multiple datacenters and "-1 datacenter" policy) it was huge benefit.

2. The other concern was Oracle's slow bugfixing and reaction to feedback.

So, this is a good case showing how a company can stop wasting millions of $ for proprietary software, joining Open Source community, contributing to it and taking benefits from tech collaboration with core developers of the product.

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