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Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by untog »

oneloop wrote: post #25
untog wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I absolutely think that data hosted in Moscow is a worse privacy concern, yes - because while I don't doubt the governments of both countries are spying on that data, I trust the US government far more than I trust the Russian government. A useful series of tweets by @SwiftOnSecurity about why storing data in the US isn't a bad idea: https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/77549120598337126...

You trust the us gov? The same that has denied manning his/her rights, driven her to suicide and now hunger strike? The same that got sweden prosecutors to re-instate assange's rape accusations after they had been independently dismissed by the initial prosecutor, so they can extradite him to the us? Ok buddy, keep trusting the us gov. I think you've been so thoroughly brain-washed by russian-hating american media th…

Jesus Christ. No.

It ought to be obvious to anyone that applying black and white judgements in these situations is idiotic. Do I think the US government is beyond reproach? No. Do I think the US government is more open and accountable than the Russian government? Yes.

> (that with the usa gov you have facts, whereas the russian gov you have suspicions)

Yes, because the US government is open and accountable enough that this information is public. The same cannot be said for the Russian government.

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by johansch »

oneloop wrote: post #27
johansch wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They moved most of their hosting to Amsterdam (and Stockholm?) 2-3 years ago, I heard. Since then the founder has been forced out by Putin, so I guess it might be back in Moscow now though. (Haven't really had any semi-inside information for the past year.)

The founder has been driven out by Putin? Aren't you confusing with Parov, the founder of VK?

Yeah, I probably did mix them up.

I was possibly confused by this article just before posting that comment:

http://calvertjournal.com/news/show/3035/founder-of-yandex-r...

(It's hit #4 in Google for his name.)

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by oneloop »

jorgecastillo wrote: post #24
overcast wrote: post #7

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Please cite examples as to why it's your favorite Email provider.

For starters it's not very crowded on usernames, so I got to use my 'namelastname' as username, also I don't think I've seen any ads so far. Another aspect of the service I really like, is that it has less magic than Gmail. I always get email labeled wrong in Gmail. At first I tried to label them properly and expected Google to get them right over time, now I don't bother. I would definitely pay for this service if t…

> Another aspect of the service I really like, is that it has less magic than Gmail. I always get email labeled wrong in Gmail. At first I tried to label them properly and expected Google to get them right over time, now I don't bother.

While I never tried yandex's email, I do share the impression that gmail is too magical and shouldn't be labelling my emails outside of the explicitly rules that i have set.

> To be fair Russia along with the US, France & Japan is one of my favorite countries, so I might be very biased.

Haha same here! It makes me so sad the propaganda war that russia and the us are having. Those two countries are similar in so many ways. Russia was unfortunate that communism had a successful revolution, so they are currently some 30 years behind culturally :-/

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

oneloop wrote: post #13
honkhonkpants wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yandex doesn't seem like it would appeal to the kinds of people who comment here. If you think that having your data hosted in the USA is a privacy concern, imagine having it hosted in Moscow.

You seem to think that having your data hosted in Moscow is a worse privacy concern than in USA? That's a joke. You realise that google just made location tracking mandatory for anyone using maps or app store, right? The USA is way worse in this respect. Or let me re-phrase that: we know for a FACT that the USA is very very bad in this respect, whereas Russian just has a bad reputation.

The USA is probably bad, but hides it well. Russia makes no qualms about hiding it.

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by elmigranto »

oneloop wrote: post #27
johansch wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They moved most of their hosting to Amsterdam (and Stockholm?) 2-3 years ago, I heard. Since then the founder has been forced out by Putin, so I guess it might be back in Moscow now though. (Haven't really had any semi-inside information for the past year.)

The founder has been driven out by Putin? Aren't you confusing with Parov, the founder of VK?

> Parov, the founder of VK

It's Pavel Durov. https://twitter.com/durov

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by alexro »

overcast wrote: post #7
jorgecastillo wrote: post #6

Yandex.Mail is my favorite email provider and I would invite anyone reading this to give it a try.

Please cite examples as to why it's your favorite Email provider.

You can set up your own domain for free

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by bobuk »

johansch wrote: post #29
bobuk wrote: post #22

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now it's split between Russia (for russian audience) and Netherland and Finland (for others). Also this https://sputniknews.com/world/20151024/1029057531/finland-he... may be interesting for you.

My feeling is that data center services are much cheaper and more reliable in Europe, so they have probably moved most things that are not directly frontend-facing to CIS there. (Everything just works and there are no insane bribes to pay to various mafias.)

Oh no, at least not now. Electricity and land so cheap today in Russia, what Yandex starts to build and sell their datacenter to provide "cheap AWS alternative for Russian companies".

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by icebraining »

oneloop wrote: post #21
niftich wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It technically means 'everything, whether necessary or not' [1][2], but the subtext and context I intended it in is that their range of services is forms an extremely wide spread, which could be mistaken for a lack of focus. [1] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/everything_but_the_kitchen_si... [2] http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/everyt...

Thanks. Yeah ok but you could say the same thing about google and they're doing well. You have yandex mail, web analytics, ads etc. How is that different from what google is going? In fact, I would say that yandex is trying to google's roadmap on how to conquer the world and see if they can pull it off in russia with the advantage that they currently have there.

It's not really different, it's just that Google became well known when it only had Search.

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by alexro »

untog wrote: post #31
oneloop wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You trust the us gov? The same that has denied manning his/her rights, driven her to suicide and now hunger strike? The same that got sweden prosecutors to re-instate assange's rape accusations after they had been independently dismissed by the initial prosecutor, so they can extradite him to the us? Ok buddy, keep trusting the us gov. I think you've been so thoroughly brain-washed by russian-hating american media th…

Jesus Christ. No. It ought to be obvious to anyone that applying black and white judgements in these situations is idiotic. Do I think the US government is beyond reproach? No. Do I think the US government is more open and accountable than the Russian government? Yes. > (that with the usa gov you have facts, whereas the russian gov you have suspicions) Yes, because the US government is open and accountable enough tha…

Would Snowden agree with you?
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