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Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by rconti »

djsumdog wrote: post #196
Esau wrote: post #193

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To me, the only enticement of torrenting a movie is that it will be DRM-free. Please note that I don't mind DRM when used in streaming but I find it onerous when I "purchased" something.

I go out of my way to buy DRM-free. I buy on Humble/GOG over Steam (and often filter games my DRM-free), I prefer bandcamp and buying real physical CDs at bars. eBooks are problematic because finding DRM-free stores for current titles is near impossible and I hate that my notes and the book are tied to a B&N/Google/Amazon account unless I use tools to extract them (books + notes). I'm essentially paying near the same…

Yup. I just bought a 4k TV, and I bought a 4k switching receiver last year. I'm not about to spend $800 on a 4k/UHD BluRay player only to find out that I can't play content because my virtually-brand-new top-end receiver doesn't support HDCP 2.2.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by ars »

ekianjo wrote: post #175
ars wrote: post #108

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Film has a lot of noise. The resolution is not as high as you are imagining. I've seen both, digital is better.

Grain is not noise. Digital is cleaner because your pictures and movies go through tons of filters before you actually get them on screen. If you go down to the microscopic level film goes way beyond the resolution you can ever hope to achieve with the best digital cameras out there. It's just not something that is expressed in pixels.

Grain is in fact noise. Noise: Things that are not in the actual signal.

> If you go down to the microscopic level film goes way beyond the resolution you can ever hope to achieve with the best digital cameras out there.

That simply isn't true. At the microscopic level film pixels look like "clouds" of colored ink. The pixels are not square, but they are there, and they are not the size of atoms, but much larger - you can see them in a typical microscope (I know, because I tried it).

Digital is cleaner not because of filters, but because the actual capturing technology produces a cleaner signal.

A couple of years ago there was still an argument, but these days the argument is over. Digital clearly won.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by jessaustin »

vocatus_gate wrote: post #195
kenperkins wrote: post #190

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> Most people have no desire to go to a theater anymore, so making people wait months to see a new film means they're going to try to find a way to see it sooner. If they released streaming alongside movie theater releases I would imagine you'd knock out 90%+ of the piracy out there. Aside: Saw Pets with my kids this week; Large Soda is now more than a Bud Light at a Football game ($8). Consider me among those who wo…

It always amazes me how people talk about theater snacks like they're mandatory or something. How about just......don't buy them?

Lots of people just sneak in their own sodas. This is discouraged by authority, but it doesn't seem immoral. At least, it isn't more immoral than going without soda entirely, so long as one doesn't throw the empties on the floor.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by hydrawlics »

vocatus_gate wrote: post #195
kenperkins wrote: post #190

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> Most people have no desire to go to a theater anymore, so making people wait months to see a new film means they're going to try to find a way to see it sooner. If they released streaming alongside movie theater releases I would imagine you'd knock out 90%+ of the piracy out there. Aside: Saw Pets with my kids this week; Large Soda is now more than a Bud Light at a Football game ($8). Consider me among those who wo…

It always amazes me how people talk about theater snacks like they're mandatory or something. How about just......don't buy them?

How about just......make that policy about not permitting outside snacks go take a hike?

People are made to throw food and beverages in the trash, if they haven't been purchased at the theater's concession stands.

When the ushers take your tickets, they make you throw away anything that's obviously not sold in the theater, thus monopolizing local refreshments.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by j4_james »

tw04 wrote: post #176
yRetsyM wrote: post #69

> Commenting on the release, Sebastian Haselbeck of Tarantino fansite Tarantino.info says that while he’s not a fan of piracy, he believes that a failure to serve the market is the real problem. > “I strongly condemn piracy and find it generally damaging, but it is a symptom, not the source, of market failure,” he told TF. That's it right there. Music piracy took a long time to sort out because it was inaccessible. N…

Well, there are two issues as I see it: 1. Most people have no desire to go to a theater anymore, so making people wait months to see a new film means they're going to try to find a way to see it sooner. If they released streaming alongside movie theater releases I would imagine you'd knock out 90%+ of the piracy out there. 2. People like me who are on extremely limited bandwidth connections can't watch anything in h…

> If they released streaming alongside movie theater releases I would imagine you'd knock out 90%+ of the piracy out there.

That's the problem that Sean Parker is hoping to address with his proposed streaming service[1]. At $50 a movie, that doesn't seem unreasonably priced. Until then, though, there's always the Prima Cinema option[2], but then you're looking at $500 a movie, plus $100k+ for the the initial setup, so it's not a great choice if you're impoverished.

[1] http://www.businessinsider.com/sean-parker-streaming-rental-... [2] http://www.businessinsider.com/prima-movie-2016-4

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by petra »

viraptor wrote: post #166
bluedino wrote: post #161

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>> I struggle to find anyone who pirates music in my peers (it was prolific) Music piracy is still huge. Any top 40 album is going to have THOUSANDS of seeders, who knows how many people have downloaded from them.

If you meant thousands literally, I think it's a relatively low number. There's always going to be a large group of people seeding popular files to improve their ratio on a specific tracker. They're probably not even interested in those specific files. It's just for better reputation on the site. > who knows how many people have downloaded from them BT trackers do. And with enough seeds / pretend-seeds you can get a…

One could say that piracy's biggest effect is indirect - by changing the power dynamic in the industry - most users choose ad-based music services.

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Post by NoPiece »

naspinski wrote: post #199
tw04 wrote: post #176

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Well, there are two issues as I see it: 1. Most people have no desire to go to a theater anymore, so making people wait months to see a new film means they're going to try to find a way to see it sooner. If they released streaming alongside movie theater releases I would imagine you'd knock out 90%+ of the piracy out there. 2. People like me who are on extremely limited bandwidth connections can't watch anything in h…

> Most people have no desire to go to a theater anymore Box office sales have generally increased over the past 20+ years. Possibly people in your peer group may not, but this does not seem correct. http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/ http://www.the-numbers.com/market/

According to your link to box office mojo, number of tickets sold peaked in 2002, and has been declining since then, even as population has been rising.

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Post by kayla210 »

kenperkins wrote: post #190
tw04 wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, there are two issues as I see it: 1. Most people have no desire to go to a theater anymore, so making people wait months to see a new film means they're going to try to find a way to see it sooner. If they released streaming alongside movie theater releases I would imagine you'd knock out 90%+ of the piracy out there. 2. People like me who are on extremely limited bandwidth connections can't watch anything in h…

> Most people have no desire to go to a theater anymore, so making people wait months to see a new film means they're going to try to find a way to see it sooner. If they released streaming alongside movie theater releases I would imagine you'd knock out 90%+ of the piracy out there. Aside: Saw Pets with my kids this week; Large Soda is now more than a Bud Light at a Football game ($8). Consider me among those who wo…

I actually carry a big purse when I go to the movies to keep everyone's snacks and drinks from the dollar store down the street, just for this reason. If the movie theater's snacks/drinks were reasonably priced, I would consider forgoing the dollar store and just buy it there to save time.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by 4ad »

ars wrote: post #200
4ad wrote: post #130

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> Film has a lot of noise. Film has grain, which is a type of non-chroma signal-dependent noise that is not unpleasant like chromatic signal-independent sensor noise or shot noise you get digitally in photography (not in movies, they have good lighting there). In fact, grain is actually useful, as it's aesthetically pleasing in small amounts, can increase apparent sharpness. In fact it's so useful digital creations f…

Maybe you don't find grain to be unpleasant, but I certainly do. I tolerate it when the source had it and there is no choice, but I certainly don't like it. And no, it's not aesthetically pleasing in any amount. Directors that add it back artificially should be criticized. It looks like there is a swarm of gnats flying across the screen, and unless there are a ton of bugs in the scene it doesn't belong. > This is 35m…

> It won't stay that way by the time you watch it, it will have been copied multiple times, and it's on 35mm again.

No, it's not on 35mm again. I've watched the 70mm projection of The Hateful Eight. At no intermediary point the film was on 35mm.

The intermediate film stocks and the print stock are very special low-sensitivity stocks (Kodak 2383 has ISO 1.6, Kodak 5302 has ISO 6) that have no discernible grain whatsoever. You can't see the Kodak 2383 grain with a grain focuser. All the grain comes from the original negative. You do lose some spatial resolution with multiple copies, but you don't add grain. I'll note that modern print film like Kodak 2383 can resolve 550 lines per mm, and contact printing has a minimal loss of quality due to imperfect optics. Granted, a showprint will always be better than a release print, but the copying process is much better than you give it credit for.

> noise (like film grain) is always a problem

Not really, dithering is essential for all video processing. Your very clean image is actually full of noise. Without dithering, videos (and movies) would look bad.

> I suspect you are missing what never was. Digital is better on both.

Absolutely nonsense. Kodak 2383 has a D-Max or 4, giving a contrast of 10000:1. Kodak Vision Premier Color has a D-Max of 5.5 giving a contrast of about 310000:1. Yes, not a typo, one-third of a million to one. There is no other technology that can achieve these deep blacks. Digital projection doesn't come any close, the best projectors today, (the ones that you won't find in any run-of-the-mill theatre) can barely do 2000:1.

DCI-P3, the color space used in digital cinema was modeled after print stock gamut, but because of technological limitations, it's not identical. Cyans and yellow has a higher chroma on film. Green on film has a higher chroma at the expense of luminosity. Other colors are pretty much the same.

The only way for digital projection to have a higher gamut is to switch to laser projection AND to retire DCI-P3. You need a green laser to produce more saturated greens.

Digital cameras are capable of recording a larger gamut than film, but unfortunately there is no technology to display these colors outside laser projection, and you need to switch the whole movie industry to a new color space.

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Post by hsod »

djsumdog wrote: post #196
Esau wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me, the only enticement of torrenting a movie is that it will be DRM-free. Please note that I don't mind DRM when used in streaming but I find it onerous when I "purchased" something.

I go out of my way to buy DRM-free. I buy on Humble/GOG over Steam (and often filter games my DRM-free), I prefer bandcamp and buying real physical CDs at bars. eBooks are problematic because finding DRM-free stores for current titles is near impossible and I hate that my notes and the book are tied to a B&N/Google/Amazon account unless I use tools to extract them (books + notes). I'm essentially paying near the same…

> If Amazon of Google ever give up their books service in a prolific blaze of fire, customers lose all those purchases.

I highly doubt Amazon would delete all the books off my Kindle if they were shutting down. I wouldn't be able to re-download them if I lose my device, but then again Barnes and Noble doesn't ship you a new book if you leave it on the bus.

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