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Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by rayvd »

myrryr wrote: post #84
will_hughes wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's not "market failure", what do you call it when you either can't buy it at all, or it's made extremely difficult to do so?

It is a market failure. There exists a product, which is easily reproduced and simple to transport. These exists people who wish to purchase the product, and pay a fair price to do so - but cannot. It is the classic example of market failure.

I think the market would readily like to solve the problem, save for regulations, laws and cronyism...

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by tekromancr »

spiderfarmer wrote: post #114
pluma wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> reuploaded To quote your ggp: > [re-uploading videos] _may_ classify as copyright infringement. [downloading YouTube videos] definitely does not. And your gp: > [Downloading YouTube videos] violates YouTube's terms of service and hurts the artists. And your parent: > Evidence required. So... why are we talking about re-uploading again as if downloading was the same thing?

I never said all downloads are hurting content creators. I am saying if it was not possible to download them, the creators would be better off.

No, because if it were not possible to download them, it wouldn't be possible to watch them in the first place.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by Esau »

yRetsyM wrote: post #69

> Commenting on the release, Sebastian Haselbeck of Tarantino fansite Tarantino.info says that while he’s not a fan of piracy, he believes that a failure to serve the market is the real problem. > “I strongly condemn piracy and find it generally damaging, but it is a symptom, not the source, of market failure,” he told TF. That's it right there. Music piracy took a long time to sort out because it was inaccessible. N…

To me, the only enticement of torrenting a movie is that it will be DRM-free.

Please note that I don't mind DRM when used in streaming but I find it onerous when I "purchased" something.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by undersuit »

danwills wrote: post #129
ekianjo wrote: post #101

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> a typical cinema release is a pretty big file - frame-by-frame encoded as jpg2000 in 4k In a way it's shocking that huge cinema screens ONLY project 4k. When we had film instead of digital projectors, we actually had a much higher resolution on screen. It's a shame we replaced it with an inferior technology.

I work in the film industry, a 35mm full-aperture negative scan holds only about 2048x1556 pixels-worth, and even at that resolution the film-grain blobs are several pixels across (especially in the blue channel).

The Hateful Eight had a little media blitz when it first came out because you could watch it in a number of theaters that still do 70mm, and I think Tarantino was the reason.

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Post by vocatus_gate »

kenperkins wrote: post #190
tw04 wrote: post #176

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Well, there are two issues as I see it: 1. Most people have no desire to go to a theater anymore, so making people wait months to see a new film means they're going to try to find a way to see it sooner. If they released streaming alongside movie theater releases I would imagine you'd knock out 90%+ of the piracy out there. 2. People like me who are on extremely limited bandwidth connections can't watch anything in h…

> Most people have no desire to go to a theater anymore, so making people wait months to see a new film means they're going to try to find a way to see it sooner. If they released streaming alongside movie theater releases I would imagine you'd knock out 90%+ of the piracy out there. Aside: Saw Pets with my kids this week; Large Soda is now more than a Bud Light at a Football game ($8). Consider me among those who wo…

It always amazes me how people talk about theater snacks like they're mandatory or something. How about just......don't buy them?

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by djsumdog »

Esau wrote: post #193
yRetsyM wrote: post #69

> Commenting on the release, Sebastian Haselbeck of Tarantino fansite Tarantino.info says that while he’s not a fan of piracy, he believes that a failure to serve the market is the real problem. > “I strongly condemn piracy and find it generally damaging, but it is a symptom, not the source, of market failure,” he told TF. That's it right there. Music piracy took a long time to sort out because it was inaccessible. N…

To me, the only enticement of torrenting a movie is that it will be DRM-free. Please note that I don't mind DRM when used in streaming but I find it onerous when I "purchased" something.

I go out of my way to buy DRM-free. I buy on Humble/GOG over Steam (and often filter games my DRM-free), I prefer bandcamp and buying real physical CDs at bars.

eBooks are problematic because finding DRM-free stores for current titles is near impossible and I hate that my notes and the book are tied to a B&N/Google/Amazon account unless I use tools to extract them (books + notes). I'm essentially paying near the same price as a used copy of the physical book, but I'm renting the book. If Amazon of Google ever give up their books service in a prolific blaze of fire, customers lose all those purchases.

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Post by Slump »

vocatus_gate wrote: post #195
kenperkins wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most people have no desire to go to a theater anymore, so making people wait months to see a new film means they're going to try to find a way to see it sooner. If they released streaming alongside movie theater releases I would imagine you'd knock out 90%+ of the piracy out there. Aside: Saw Pets with my kids this week; Large Soda is now more than a Bud Light at a Football game ($8). Consider me among those who wo…

It always amazes me how people talk about theater snacks like they're mandatory or something. How about just......don't buy them?

Well to be fair, I think many people consider the snacks (soda, popcorn, candy) to be part of the movie going experience so it's hard to resist the urge to splurge. You're not wrong but there is a lot of years of marketing and persuasion behind "lets all go to the lobby..."

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by vocatus_gate »

badwolf wrote: post #183
2bitencryption wrote: post #64

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When it comes to watching movies, I will take the path of least resistance. Not even for moral or philosophical reasons; I'm just lazy. Netflix/Amazon/[streaming site] is easier than pirating is easier than buying a Bluray disk at a store, so that's the order I'll do things in if I want to see the film badly enough.

I don't even own a DVD/Bluray player. If I can't find it on a streaming site (whether subscription service like Netflix, or buying it, ala Amazon) Then... :-/ Hoist the Jolly Roger. It's frustrating wanting to give money for something, and not being able to.

I have a friend who has an approach I like. He buys the Blu-Ray from Amazon, usually used if possible, then immediately goes and pirates it on to his home media server. When the disc arrives, he tosses it in a box that sits in the corner and never touches it again.

This way he made a legal purchase and exchanged money, but still gets a DRM-free high quality copy to move around to his various devices.

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Post by naspinski »

tw04 wrote: post #176
yRetsyM wrote: post #69

> Commenting on the release, Sebastian Haselbeck of Tarantino fansite Tarantino.info says that while he’s not a fan of piracy, he believes that a failure to serve the market is the real problem. > “I strongly condemn piracy and find it generally damaging, but it is a symptom, not the source, of market failure,” he told TF. That's it right there. Music piracy took a long time to sort out because it was inaccessible. N…

Well, there are two issues as I see it: 1. Most people have no desire to go to a theater anymore, so making people wait months to see a new film means they're going to try to find a way to see it sooner. If they released streaming alongside movie theater releases I would imagine you'd knock out 90%+ of the piracy out there. 2. People like me who are on extremely limited bandwidth connections can't watch anything in h…

> Most people have no desire to go to a theater anymore

Box office sales have generally increased over the past 20+ years. Possibly people in your peer group may not, but this does not seem correct. http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/ http://www.the-numbers.com/market/

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Post by ars »

4ad wrote: post #130
ars wrote: post #108

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Film has a lot of noise. The resolution is not as high as you are imagining. I've seen both, digital is better.

> Film has a lot of noise. Film has grain, which is a type of non-chroma signal-dependent noise that is not unpleasant like chromatic signal-independent sensor noise or shot noise you get digitally in photography (not in movies, they have good lighting there). In fact, grain is actually useful, as it's aesthetically pleasing in small amounts, can increase apparent sharpness. In fact it's so useful digital creations f…

Maybe you don't find grain to be unpleasant, but I certainly do. I tolerate it when the source had it and there is no choice, but I certainly don't like it.

And no, it's not aesthetically pleasing in any amount. Directors that add it back artificially should be criticized. It looks like there is a swarm of gnats flying across the screen, and unless there are a ton of bugs in the scene it doesn't belong.

> This is 35mm, The Hateful Eight was shot on 65mm stock, which has a camera frame surface are of 3.44 times the camera surface of 35mm film.

It won't stay that way by the time you watch it, it will have been copied multiple times, and it's on 35mm again. The effective resolution as seen in the actual theater does not beat 4k, and you have additional noise which lowers the resolution even more.

The main thing though is that noise is worse than lack of resolution. Depending on how far you are from the screen more resolution is meaningless - but noise (like film grain) is always a problem.

> I miss more the old contrast and gamut.

I suspect you are missing what never was. Digital is better on both.

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