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Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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I saw the Roadshow cut at our local art house. It was beautiful. IIRC it was definitely not even 2x the cost of a regular ticket and it came with a commemorative booklet.

Thing is, I'm poor, and it was roughly 3x the cost of the discounted ticket I usually use. At minimum wage I would have paid about a day's salary, and thus I "boycotted" it.

Maybe you shouldn't watch movies if you're poor.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Polish law is harmonised with the Copyright directive, which implements the WIPO treaty. Watching a video on Youtube is only lawful if the rights holder has given their permission. Here, the rights holder hasnt given their permission and isn't getting compensation, thus it's not lawful in Polish law. It might be useful if you provided a cite the the Polish law that gives this exemption. The person uploading the video…

Watching already published videos is fair use in Poland. Art 23 Ustawa o prawie autorskim i prawach pokrewnych > 1. Bez zezwolenia twórcy wolno nieodpłatnie korzystać z już rozpowszechnionego utworu w zakresie własnego użytku osobistego. (...) > 2. Zakres własnego użytku osobistego obejmuje korzystanie z pojedynczych egzemplarzy utworów przez krąg osób pozostających w związku osobistym, w szczególności pokrewieństwa,…

You've missed "within the scope of personal use" at the end of point 1 - which (IMO) means that you can only watch the video if it was posted by a friend/relative.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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> a typical cinema release is a pretty big file - frame-by-frame encoded as jpg2000 in 4k In a way it's shocking that huge cinema screens ONLY project 4k. When we had film instead of digital projectors, we actually had a much higher resolution on screen. It's a shame we replaced it with an inferior technology.

I'm not convinced. If you happen to see a fresh print, with no scratches, dirt, skipped sprockets, or speed issues then - yes - it is theoretically marginally better than a digital print. Similarly, a highly priced vinyl player might have slightly better sound quality than a cheap CD player. But for most people, digital Cinema and CDs represent a vastly superior experience.

Wait. Film is not just better for resolution, it has much better dynamic range and color depth than digital (digital is coming close, but still not there yet).

It's not because a technology is newer that it is necessarily better. CRT still holds some advantages over LCDs, Paper still holds advantages over e-ink, and so on. Of course Digital photography wins by a large amount for cost and convenience, but that's not the whole picture.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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> a typical cinema release is a pretty big file - frame-by-frame encoded as jpg2000 in 4k In a way it's shocking that huge cinema screens ONLY project 4k. When we had film instead of digital projectors, we actually had a much higher resolution on screen. It's a shame we replaced it with an inferior technology.

Film has a lot of noise. The resolution is not as high as you are imagining. I've seen both, digital is better.

Grain is not noise. Digital is cleaner because your pictures and movies go through tons of filters before you actually get them on screen.

If you go down to the microscopic level film goes way beyond the resolution you can ever hope to achieve with the best digital cameras out there. It's just not something that is expressed in pixels.

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> Commenting on the release, Sebastian Haselbeck of Tarantino fansite Tarantino.info says that while he’s not a fan of piracy, he believes that a failure to serve the market is the real problem. > “I strongly condemn piracy and find it generally damaging, but it is a symptom, not the source, of market failure,” he told TF. That's it right there. Music piracy took a long time to sort out because it was inaccessible. N…

Well, there are two issues as I see it:

1. Most people have no desire to go to a theater anymore, so making people wait months to see a new film means they're going to try to find a way to see it sooner. If they released streaming alongside movie theater releases I would imagine you'd knock out 90%+ of the piracy out there.

2. People like me who are on extremely limited bandwidth connections can't watch anything in high fidelity via something like Netflix. Need a way to buffer the whole movie locally ahead of time. Let me queue it up the night before so I can watch it when I get home from work and you'll have my dollars.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Watching already published videos is fair use in Poland. Art 23 Ustawa o prawie autorskim i prawach pokrewnych > 1. Bez zezwolenia twórcy wolno nieodpłatnie korzystać z już rozpowszechnionego utworu w zakresie własnego użytku osobistego. (...) > 2. Zakres własnego użytku osobistego obejmuje korzystanie z pojedynczych egzemplarzy utworów przez krąg osób pozostających w związku osobistym, w szczególności pokrewieństwa,…

You've missed "within the scope of personal use" at the end of point 1 - which (IMO) means that you can only watch the video if it was posted by a friend/relative.

Personal use just means you can't give the downloaded video to somebody else, you can't buy a giant projector and turn your house into a movie theater, that sort of thing.

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To clarify for all the other non HD-video nerds, this seems to be regarding DCP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Cinema_Package not HDCP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-bandwidth_Digital_Content... (which is already broken, and was itself the industry response to the breaking of DVD CSS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_Scramble_System ). The use of DCP seems to be limited to very high resolution relea…

I find it amusing that after all these decades people are still willing to claim some sort of moral high ground in defense of their desire for entertainment.

> If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. Its peculiar character, too, is that no one possesses the less, because every other possesses the whole of it. He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.

> That ideas should freely spread from one to another over the globe, for the moral and mutual instruction of man, and improvement of his condition, seems to have been peculiarly and benevolently designed by nature, when she made them, like fire, expansible over all space, without lessening their density in any point, and like the air in which we breathe, move, and have our physical being, incapable of confinement or exclusive appropriation. Inventions then cannot, in nature, be a subject of property.

--Thomas Jefferson

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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> they will be able to decrypt every other film that they have a KDM for and we should expect to see more DCP releases. If you have individually encrypted copies, it would be stupid to not also individually watermark them on the content level. With a bit of targeted key invalidation, this could well be contained to a one time breach.

There is just one encrypted copy, with one key. But that key has many copies, each encrypted with a different copy. The device takes its private key, and uses it to acquire the "master" key, which is then used to decrypt the media. Of course, every movie release has its own "master" key.

Even AACS on bluray discs can have multiple different copies of some parts of the video to watermark different sets of device keys. I know footage from theaters can be watermarked too, so I'd be very surprised if this distribution method didn't also have some kind of identification.

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They wouldn't send a DCP stream for transcoding. DCP stream can only be decoded by the media block inside the projector and the output physically goes to the projector chip. The system has safe guards against physical intrusion. If you open the projector, it wipes all the keys. The level of paranoia in that thing is insane. They keys only get programmed by the studios at manufacture time, and there is no servicing of…

> If you open the projector, it wipes all the keys. What if it has no power?

The media block has a small micro inside the controls the HSM. It runs on an internal back-up battery. If the unit is opened, or tampered with then it wipes all the keys. That module is FIPS certified against intrusion.
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