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Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by bluedino »

yRetsyM wrote: post #69

> Commenting on the release, Sebastian Haselbeck of Tarantino fansite Tarantino.info says that while he’s not a fan of piracy, he believes that a failure to serve the market is the real problem. > “I strongly condemn piracy and find it generally damaging, but it is a symptom, not the source, of market failure,” he told TF. That's it right there. Music piracy took a long time to sort out because it was inaccessible. N…

>> I struggle to find anyone who pirates music in my peers (it was prolific)

Music piracy is still huge. Any top 40 album is going to have THOUSANDS of seeders, who knows how many people have downloaded from them.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by ChildOfChaos »

yRetsyM wrote: post #69

> Commenting on the release, Sebastian Haselbeck of Tarantino fansite Tarantino.info says that while he’s not a fan of piracy, he believes that a failure to serve the market is the real problem. > “I strongly condemn piracy and find it generally damaging, but it is a symptom, not the source, of market failure,” he told TF. That's it right there. Music piracy took a long time to sort out because it was inaccessible. N…

I am a huge music lover. I rarely would buy an album because it was such a pain in the ass and I would end up not liking or registering to most albums anyway. So i pirated almost every album I listened too for about ten years.

Now i simply pay my subscription to Deezer and couldn't be happier.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by kuschku »

pritambaral wrote: post #91
wfunction wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you open the projector, it wipes all the keys. What if it has no power?

A small battery, dedicated to tamper-detection, should take care of that.

And liquid nitrogen should take care of that.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by bryanlarsen »

ultramancool wrote: post #44
6nf wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a difference though. DRM music files are sold directly to consumers. These consumers have to be able to decrypt the files on their own computers / devices which makes DRM useless. The movie files in this case are not meant for consumers. They're only decrypted on specialised equipment not accessible to the general public. If you manage to get your hands on a DCP file there's nothing you can do to decrypt it w…

Yeah, but let's be honest, if I had a job as a manager at a theater and a moderate amount of reverse engineering skill or a small team of friends with those, well, time, access and tools combine quite well... Sure, they make it look all secure, pass it through all that crypto and stuff but ultimately it has to be passed to the projector chip in some form which is unencumbered to be turned into light. At which point i…

I'm under the impression that the last level of decryption is done in the projector chip itself. So while accessing the unencumbered stream is theoretically possible, it definitely requires a lot more than a moderate amount of reverse engineering skill and serious amounts of equipment.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by zielmicha »

DanBC wrote: post #155
dozzie wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

E.g. in Poland. Don't be surprised, because it's not an absolute truth that you breach copyright watching something published.

Polish law is harmonised with the Copyright directive, which implements the WIPO treaty. Watching a video on Youtube is only lawful if the rights holder has given their permission. Here, the rights holder hasnt given their permission and isn't getting compensation, thus it's not lawful in Polish law. It might be useful if you provided a cite the the Polish law that gives this exemption. The person uploading the video…

Watching already published videos is fair use in Poland.

Art 23 Ustawa o prawie autorskim i prawach pokrewnych

> 1. Bez zezwolenia twórcy wolno nieodpłatnie korzystać z już rozpowszechnionego utworu w zakresie własnego użytku osobistego. (...)

> 2. Zakres własnego użytku osobistego obejmuje korzystanie z pojedynczych egzemplarzy utworów przez krąg osób pozostających w związku osobistym, w szczególności pokrewieństwa, powinowactwa lub stosunku towarzyskiego.

translated:

> 1. Free usage of the already published work for personal use is allowed without a permit of authors . (...)

> 2. The scope of personal use includes the use of single copies of work by a group of individuals in personal relationships, in particular blood relation, kinship or a social relationship.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by viraptor »

bluedino wrote: post #161
yRetsyM wrote: post #69

> Commenting on the release, Sebastian Haselbeck of Tarantino fansite Tarantino.info says that while he’s not a fan of piracy, he believes that a failure to serve the market is the real problem. > “I strongly condemn piracy and find it generally damaging, but it is a symptom, not the source, of market failure,” he told TF. That's it right there. Music piracy took a long time to sort out because it was inaccessible. N…

>> I struggle to find anyone who pirates music in my peers (it was prolific) Music piracy is still huge. Any top 40 album is going to have THOUSANDS of seeders, who knows how many people have downloaded from them.

If you meant thousands literally, I think it's a relatively low number. There's always going to be a large group of people seeding popular files to improve their ratio on a specific tracker. They're probably not even interested in those specific files. It's just for better reputation on the site.

> who knows how many people have downloaded from them

BT trackers do. And with enough seeds / pretend-seeds you can get a fairly precise numbers of downloaders.

There's still a number of countries where Spotify is not exactly cheap. Or where you can't get easy access to a permanent connection for streaming. But those places aren't huge record label customers either.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by annnnd »

maccard wrote: post #160
contingencies wrote: post #31

To clarify for all the other non HD-video nerds, this seems to be regarding DCP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Cinema_Package not HDCP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-bandwidth_Digital_Content... (which is already broken, and was itself the industry response to the breaking of DVD CSS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_Scramble_System ). The use of DCP seems to be limited to very high resolution relea…

> As always with DRM, it's defective by design. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defective_by_Design It depends on what the desired outcome of the DRM is. A prime example of effective DRM is Denuvo [0]. Loosely speaking, there are two main groups of people who pirate games - those who would buy it otherwise, and those who wouldn't. There's not much you can do about the latter group, so they're not really worth consideri…

The DRM for games is altogether another beast than DRM for movies or audio. Games are interactive so while cracking them should in theory always be possible (unless they are server based), the cracked version represents a possible threat to the users. Did really someone crack the software for the fun of it or is it malware? With movies such concerns are limited to exploiting bugs in movie players, so attack surface is much lower. Also, all one needs to do is capture the output and write it to file. The "hack" is quite trivial with proper equipment.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by pwthornton »

4ad wrote: post #132
danwills wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work in the film industry, a 35mm full-aperture negative scan holds only about 2048x1556 pixels-worth, and even at that resolution the film-grain blobs are several pixels across (especially in the blue channel).

> I work in the film industry, a 35mm full-aperture negative scan holds only about 2048x1556 pixels-worth There are enough good 4k releases of classic movies to see this is not the case. You can compare the 4k and HD release (which is just under the resolution you provided). I regularly scan Vision 3 film (movie stock) and Velvia 50 and Velvia 100 (E6). I scan it professionally at 10 Mpix, but when I have a good pict…

Some of those classic movies were shot on 65mm and 70mm. Others may have simply been upscanned, which will yield a sharper looking image nonetheless.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by Asooka »

pluma wrote: post #109
Houshalter wrote: post #85

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It violates YouTube's terms of service and hurts the artists.

> hurts the artists ... only if you use the version of youtubedl that comes with the knife-wielding robot.

Oh, didn't you hear? Researchers found that via quantum tunnelling entanglement, each time you download a video from youtube, a number of random artists (not necessarily involved with the media in question) feel an unexplained momentary sharp pain in their back. A similar effect happens when you drunkenly sing the latest pop song - an egregious copyright violation by any measure - in which case several successful artists feel a passing, but deep, existential dread about the quality of their work. Further research into the effect has been postponed due to ethical concerns. The researchers note, however, that shortening copyright terms would drastically reduce its impact.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by rrrazdan »

zizee wrote: post #79
oldmanjay wrote: post #51

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I find it amusing that after all these decades people are still willing to claim some sort of moral high ground in defense of their desire for entertainment.

Some people believe that copyright infringement is a morally acceptable response to copyright terms changing from limited to effectively infinite duration.

Copyright on a song or book is like ownership. Imagine a scenario where you mould from clay an amazing aesthetically pleasing shape. Do you think that it should be taken from you after a set time period?
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