Earlier quoted context omitted.
So this seems to be the "Dr Strangelove" scenario playing out, but with (fortunately) exploits rather than nuclear weapons. It sounds like many countries have other significant exploits into other countries, but this isn't "admitted"; it's not an unignorable public fact (+). The Russian destabilisation plan is to get Western countries to see NSA attacks on them and lose trust in the US - plus an attack on the concept…
What is this 'Russian destabilization plan' you are talking about?
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Re: Snowden: Hack of an NSA server is not unprecedented, publication of the take is
#162It also highlights the risks of NSA exploiting zero-days and creating malware to conduct offensive operations, rather than reporting vulnerabilities to the vendor to make everyone safer. Now these tools have been stolen by one of their adversaries, and may make it out into the public for anyone to take advantage of. I just watched an excellent documentary called "Zero Days" ( https://weshare.me/823adb83b8e98628 ) thi…
Slightly off-topic but I also tried to watch "Zero Days" since the subject interest me. But, with the constant exaggeration and dumbing down of the subject, I could only watch about 20 minutes before I turned it off. If you want something technical that is not exaggerated, you better watch something else. If someone have an recommendation, please share.
https://www.amazon.com/War-Rise-Military-Internet-Complex/dp...
Re: Snowden: Hack of an NSA server is not unprecedented, publication of the take is
#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why do people insist on calling the US a democracy ? It is a Constitutional Republic with the only democratic process being the representatives you elect .... represent you ... sometimes... if they feel like it.... unless they have been bribe^H^H^H^H lobbied to do otherwise.
off topic, but I keep seeing things in the format of "word^^^^^" and "bribe^H^H^H^H" things like that. In your case it seems to indicate sarcasm, but that doesn't always seem to be the case. Can someone fill me in?
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#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
If Snowden is right then Russia wants people to know extra-officially that it was them.
That's not new, actually. Remember the Polonium murder? They take some weird pride in their lack of humanity.
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#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why do people insist on calling the US a democracy ? It is a Constitutional Republic with the only democratic process being the representatives you elect .... represent you ... sometimes... if they feel like it.... unless they have been bribe^H^H^H^H lobbied to do otherwise.
off topic, but I keep seeing things in the format of "word^^^^^" and "bribe^H^H^H^H" things like that. In your case it seems to indicate sarcasm, but that doesn't always seem to be the case. Can someone fill me in?
Re: Snowden: Hack of an NSA server is not unprecedented, publication of the take is
#166I posted about this in a different thread with a different throwaway, because I had suspicions that Snowden knew about the whole EG auction thing anyways. The writing has been on the walls. This is why there is so much hype over what appears at a first glance to be an obvious scam, because there is a lot of potential for civilians to learn a lot about how state-sponsored hacking actually operates. It's very different…
Tying them together wouldn't be very interesting. Am I wrong on this? Don't we already "know" that the US is behind stuxnet? I don't think that makes the front pages. Struxnet was used against a foreign adversary to disable nuclear bomb-making capabilities. That sounds pretty useful to me. What would be interesting is learning where these came from and how they were used. If Ed's musing is right and there's evidence…
Anyways, I don't "know" anything that isn't out there to be found. It's a reasonable assumption to assume that you've already assumed that I work in/around the intelligence industry/community, but this is hardly the reason I'm so interested in all of this.
Anyways, to your remark, yes absolutely Stuxnet was contracted or engineered by the US. We're completely positive that our hands are dirty in that aspect, but the real question is whodunnit. The beauty of all these state-sponsored hacks is that they can be waved away as some """rogue""" like Snowden from the outside-looking-in.
What we really want to know is how deep the roots of the tree go, and how many of these cells actually exist. How many contractors are there? Where did they come from? What are their backgrounds? What are their ethnic backgrounds? How were they recruited? What changes in their online presence can we observe around the time that they were recruited?
To be perfectly, brutally honest, I could give half a shit what happens in the election. The clinton mafia has been writing on the wall for literally decades at this point, what's another snippets?
On the other hand, somebody is out there issuing commands to potentially DOZENS of the most elite, sought-after, highly-educated, intelligence-savvy hackers. Maybe they report to a secret committee that controls them, and that committee is composed of only perfect operators. People who wouldn't fuck up and let slip that it even exists. That seems unlikely, and just from a logistical standpoint, it's complex to organize that kind of effort. In the IT world, there are project managers that went to university to learn how manage teams effectively, there's a huge science behind it and I can't bring myself to believe that a committee is capable of the watertight operations that would be necessary for this.
That leads me to believe that one of several scenarios is the truth:
A) EG doesn't exist. It's another smoke-and-mirrors trick, and there are many squads like mine that use the same name to avoid correlation, and "play characters." There is no secret mastermind, just some intel-oriented director issuing objectives, and that's it.
B) EG does exist, and is controlled by one single person, probably well-guarded, and he/she manages other smaller splinter groups, and are doing their own thing. Maybe they made a dirty deal with some USG official, and whomever that was managed to not fuck it up.
C) EG doesn't exist, and the entire thing is carefully organized by some special-purpose squad within the NSA or some such branch that we don't know about. I think this is the most likely option given some of the tactics we've seen so far, and the level of caution and just the overall "flavor" of how these hacks seem to happen. Stuxnet for example, was ALL about collecting information and guerilla operation within "hostile" nuclear environments. Prevent danger and gather as much actionable intelligence as possible.
IRATEMONK, for example, was all about spreading through networks, through USB, that sort of thing. Imagine a secure facility, guarded by soldiers, operated by intelligence professionals or nuclear scientists, or some such "high-value" people. IM was capable of spreading quickly, persistently, flexibly, etc. Just digs in and gathers it all up.
That's how modern US intelligence work is done. It's how most government work is done, period. OODA is as relevant today as it ever has been, and people like me, people like snowden that have seen those environments and those sorts of people, just recognize right out of the gate that something is a bit too familiar about it all.
I don't know very much about the election side of things. I'm certain some sneaky shit is going on, but it always has been. Nothing new.
What I really want to know, and what I think these binaries can tell us all, is who is behind these hacks. Where the power is coming from. If even just a single author is identified and correlated with something on the inside of the intelligence universe, then this whole thing is blown wide open.
These guys know how close they're cutting it, that's why this auction is so interesting because if it's real, if they're taking these risks to make money, or just to get the binaries out somehow, then there are some HEAVY implications that they might realize that they're in danger. If the auction proves to be real, it'll speak VOLUMES over something that has been previously unobservable. I'm assuming of course that the secret mastermind behind EG doesn't want the binaries out to the public, and so if they somehow make it out, then someone who had access to them did, maybe as a call for help, as revenge, whatever. Regardless, it's a sign of unrest, and that the cat's claws are indeed tearing the bag.
My handles are always snips from the Mary Poppins films. There's multiple people, but you'll get the idea. It's going to be a very interesting couple weeks!
Cheers
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#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
It takes Russia pointing this out to make us lose trust in the U.S.? I think the U.S. has done this all on their own. Snowden was just the latest whistleblower showing the world they can't be trusted. There were others before him, but it got swept under the rug. We all know the U.S. election system is flawed to a point of being broken and thus democracy as we like to believe it's supposed to work doesn't even exist.…
Why do people insist on calling the US a democracy ? It is a Constitutional Republic with the only democratic process being the representatives you elect .... represent you ... sometimes... if they feel like it.... unless they have been bribe^H^H^H^H lobbied to do otherwise.
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#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be fair, he also all but accuses NSA of interfering with US ally's Elections.
Honestly, I think its a bit far fetched the US would meddle in the foreign affairs of an ally. We have a long documented history of staying out of civil wars, guerrilla warfare, and aiding the "right" people to come to leadership as it suits us.
If it were confirmed, they'd have to switch to "Well if they weren't doing anything wrong they wouldn't have to worry about being interfered with, stop being ridiculous".
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FWIW, I personally would be relatively shocked if that(election tampering) did turn out to be legit. I suppose there's motive and means, but it just seems a little too far for the NSA. On the other hand, I can't understand why Snowden would put that in a tweet if he didn't want people to consider the possibility. So either,
1) He's a careless writer(I think this one is the least likely)
2) The NSA interferes with US ally's elections
3) Snowden is a Russian agent or has been coerced into that messaging
Re: Snowden: Hack of an NSA server is not unprecedented, publication of the take is
#169Ed was a Booz Allen Hamilton employee only for a couple of months. He wasn't even out of his probation period as an employee. It's really amazing that in such a short time he was able to siphon all this information out of the NSA. I wonder what more information could he have collected if he had spent a longer time contracting for the NSA. I wonder how much more about the NSA we could know if people who have dedicated…
Or what damage a normal spy could have done...
Re: Snowden: Hack of an NSA server is not unprecedented, publication of the take is
#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
So this seems to be the "Dr Strangelove" scenario playing out, but with (fortunately) exploits rather than nuclear weapons. It sounds like many countries have other significant exploits into other countries, but this isn't "admitted"; it's not an unignorable public fact (+). The Russian destabilisation plan is to get Western countries to see NSA attacks on them and lose trust in the US - plus an attack on the concept…
It takes Russia pointing this out to make us lose trust in the U.S.? I think the U.S. has done this all on their own. Snowden was just the latest whistleblower showing the world they can't be trusted. There were others before him, but it got swept under the rug. We all know the U.S. election system is flawed to a point of being broken and thus democracy as we like to believe it's supposed to work doesn't even exist.…
He also discovered that the Carter administration's justice department had opened a criminal investigation on the NSA, and through FOIA managed to get a copy of the file. It was pretty damning stuff.
This was 1982. What changed because of this?