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Re: Snowden: Hack of an NSA server is not unprecedented, publication of the take is

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It's also entirely possible that unicorns are real.

But while the above possibility is merely unlikely, this possibility is logically impossible (using the definition of unicorn from philosophy). Quite a difference.

Both are absurd points to make. Just because something is theoretically possible in some version of the universe doesn't mean it's worth discussing without any real evidence. Tinfoil hat or not.

Re: Snowden: Hack of an NSA server is not unprecedented, publication of the take is

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Ed was a Booz Allen Hamilton employee only for a couple of months. He wasn't even out of his probation period as an employee. It's really amazing that in such a short time he was able to siphon all this information out of the NSA. I wonder what more information could he have collected if he had spent a longer time contracting for the NSA. I wonder how much more about the NSA we could know if people who have dedicated…

Or what damage a normal spy could have done...

What makes him different than a normal spy? It's just the adversary he worked for was the public. I'd say "instead of an enemy of the U.S. Government," but I'm hard pushed to separate that distinction somehow. The NSA's behaviour would seem to point to its considering the U.S. people as enemies of the state... rather than the people being the state and themselves being the enemy.

I suppose it's not beyond belief that Snowden _could_ have been a CIA operative the entire time he was in the NSA and "blowing his cover" by going public was just the endgame to move scrutiny of CIA projects to NSA projects. Of course, there's a thousand conspiracy theories. What if that wasn't the endgame? What if "defecting" to Russia is still part of a bigger operation?

Just to be clear, I have no evidence supporting this theory, nor do I believe he's any more than he suggests. But we'd all do well to evaluate what and why we trust the things we do from time to time.

Re: Snowden: Hack of an NSA server is not unprecedented, publication of the take is

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>8) Circumstantial evidence and conventional wisdom indicates Russian responsibility. Here's why that is significant: Interesting that he's not afraid to point the finger at Russia while still relying on them for protection. My respect for him just went up.

If Snowden is right then Russia wants people to know extra-officially that it was them.

Re: Snowden: Hack of an NSA server is not unprecedented, publication of the take is

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Thank you for summarizing that. As others have commented, I wish Snowden would simply blog about this sort of thing. Twitter is frustrating to digest for any insightful commentary that is on the longer side.

Yeah I don't understand why people don't just blog and be done with it, without all the formatting gredue. Then, you can just post a link on your twitter and say "hey, see my new blog post".

If HN and Reddit are any indication, if you post a link to a blog post, people will respond without reading it. People don't like switching domains, especially if they are browsing from an app. (Myself included)

Re: Snowden: Hack of an NSA server is not unprecedented, publication of the take is

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But while the above possibility is merely unlikely, this possibility is logically impossible (using the definition of unicorn from philosophy). Quite a difference.

Both are absurd points to make. Just because something is theoretically possible in some version of the universe doesn't mean it's worth discussing without any real evidence. Tinfoil hat or not.

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Re: Snowden: Hack of an NSA server is not unprecedented, publication of the take is

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If you want to put on your tinfoil hat for a second, consider the fact that Snowden started his career in the military, then moved to CIA, then moved to Booz Allen. It's entirely possible that Snowden is an ongoing CIA op to discredit their rival NSA as part of a turf war.

It's also entirely possible that unicorns are real.

I really don't think it's an unreasonable possibility. It's a known fact Snowden worked for CIA and even received deep cover training while working in Geneva. Much of his behavior is not that of a hapless IT admin, but someone well trained in HUMINT operations.

He comes from a multigenerational military family. That's the kind of background that breeds strong loyalty to the state, and the exact kind of background from which the CIA recruits its top spies.

I find it almost implausible that someone with that kind of loyalty would suddenly resign from the CIA after they invested so much in him, only to jump ship to a private contractor. If his reasons for leaving the CIA were purely moral, why would a private contractor ameliorate any of those concerns? It seems more likely the CIA sent him to Booz Allen.

But hey, it's all a big conspiracy right? Don't believe anything you read on the Internet, except what Ed Snowden tells you.

Re: Snowden: Hack of an NSA server is not unprecedented, publication of the take is

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> 5) Knowing this, NSA's hackers (TAO) are told not to leave their hack tools ("binaries") on the server after an op. But people get lazy. I know enough to say that this sentence reveals a lot about what snowden knows, and what he doesn't. Mostly the latter. He doesn't seem to understand the context and meaning of acronyms he uses.

Care to elaborate? TAO ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tailored_Access_Operations ) seems fine to me.

TAO is composed of much, much more than "hackers". To give him the benefit of the doubt, his comment shows willful ignorance of this fact.

Re: Snowden: Hack of an NSA server is not unprecedented, publication of the take is

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>8) Circumstantial evidence and conventional wisdom indicates Russian responsibility. Here's why that is significant: Interesting that he's not afraid to point the finger at Russia while still relying on them for protection. My respect for him just went up.

Snowden is quite clearly under Russian "protection" and that protection comes at a cost. Russia is not motivated by the best interests of U.S. citizens or international order, it is motivated to protect, preserve, and extend Russia's (Putin's) interests and geopolitical ambitions. What Snowden says may be interesting or have some educational value to laypersons, but his words are most definitely scripted or approved by his Russian handlers. https://20committee.com/2016/07/02/the-kremlin-admits-snowde...

As far as I can tell, many of the same things can be said of Wikileaks and Julian Assange as well.

Re: Snowden: Hack of an NSA server is not unprecedented, publication of the take is

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There was another article posted that pointed to the DoD-assigned IP of (something like) "30.40.50.60" that was referenced in one of the files. I'm fairly certain that was just a coincidence.

However, I did find that one of the autogenerated shellcodes for EXTRABACON contained this DoD-assigned IP: 155.222.211.8 (http://whois.domaintools.com/155.222.211.8). The OrgName is "DoD Network Information Center". This appears to be run by DISA which is also headquartered at Ft. Meade.

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