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Snowden: Hack of an NSA server is not unprecedented, publication of the take is

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It also highlights the risks of NSA exploiting zero-days and creating malware to conduct offensive operations, rather than reporting vulnerabilities to the vendor to make everyone safer. Now these tools have been stolen by one of their adversaries, and may make it out into the public for anyone to take advantage of. I just watched an excellent documentary called "Zero Days" ( https://weshare.me/823adb83b8e98628 ) thi…

Question: Does the NSA have an obligation to be ethical?

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It also highlights the risks of NSA exploiting zero-days and creating malware to conduct offensive operations, rather than reporting vulnerabilities to the vendor to make everyone safer. Now these tools have been stolen by one of their adversaries, and may make it out into the public for anyone to take advantage of. I just watched an excellent documentary called "Zero Days" ( https://weshare.me/823adb83b8e98628 ) thi…

Slightly off-topic but I also tried to watch "Zero Days" since the subject interest me. But, with the constant exaggeration and dumbing down of the subject, I could only watch about 20 minutes before I turned it off. If you want something technical that is not exaggerated, you better watch something else. If someone have an recommendation, please share.

I recommend sticking through till the end. The first 20 minutes just sets the scene - the story gets a lot more interesting once it links up the technical stuff with geopolitics and the relationship between US & Iran, and what they did to the centrifuges.

The last part has some insightful commentary by a number of experts on the new world of so-called "cyber warfare" that we're entering into.

Re: Snowden: Hack of an NSA server is not unprecedented, publication of the take is

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>8) Circumstantial evidence and conventional wisdom indicates Russian responsibility. Here's why that is significant: Interesting that he's not afraid to point the finger at Russia while still relying on them for protection. My respect for him just went up.

Unless this leak was part of that very protection arrangement, or part of some larger play. It's possible Snowden had all this stuff and the timing works out (right?). And let's not forget the mysterious "it's time" tweets from Snowden a few weeks ago. Edit: I don't know why I'm being downvoted here. Isn't this a plausible explanation until we have more evidence?

Unless you have evidence for any of that you are just playing the "Lets pull out a wild conspiracy card" game.

Personally I think Snowden is the Lemming Prophet of the Epsilon-Tau Lizard People.

Re: Snowden: Hack of an NSA server is not unprecedented, publication of the take is

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless this leak was part of that very protection arrangement, or part of some larger play. It's possible Snowden had all this stuff and the timing works out (right?). And let's not forget the mysterious "it's time" tweets from Snowden a few weeks ago. Edit: I don't know why I'm being downvoted here. Isn't this a plausible explanation until we have more evidence?

Unless you have evidence for any of that you are just playing the "Lets pull out a wild conspiracy card" game. Personally I think Snowden is the Lemming Prophet of the Epsilon-Tau Lizard People.

Snowden worked at the NSA and took a bunch of stuff. These leaks are from that time period. This isn't crazy.

Edit: His "it's time" tweet happened less than 48 hours after the first TheShadowBrokers account (reddit) was created, prior to activity. Those accounts were dormant until the drop.

It's also possible the timestamps on the files match up to Snowden's leaks because the NSA stopped using that server / etc.

But the "it's time" tweet seems to imply Snowden may have known this was coming. It could also be a conincidence, of course.

Re: Snowden: Hack of an NSA server is not unprecedented, publication of the take is

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It also highlights the risks of NSA exploiting zero-days and creating malware to conduct offensive operations, rather than reporting vulnerabilities to the vendor to make everyone safer. Now these tools have been stolen by one of their adversaries, and may make it out into the public for anyone to take advantage of. I just watched an excellent documentary called "Zero Days" ( https://weshare.me/823adb83b8e98628 ) thi…

Question: Does the NSA have an obligation to be ethical?

I would argue yes, in the sense that all of us do (both in our professional and personal lives). The US likes to promote itself as the "good guys", and if they want that reputation, they have to earn it. NSA's activities are in direct conflict with that ideal.

Society only functions properly when people act ethically. We have laws in place for punishing those who harm others in various ways (financially, physically, etc.), as a means to discourage bad behaviour. In theory there's supposed to be international law, but sadly no-one seems to pay much attention to it.

Re: Snowden: Hack of an NSA server is not unprecedented, publication of the take is

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His complete post (just in case) original 4:40 AM - 16 Aug 2016 from @Snowden: The hack of an NSA malware staging server is not unprecedented, but the publication of the take is. Here's what you need to know: (1/x) 1) NSA traces and targets malware C2 servers in a practice called Counter Computer Network Exploitation, or CCNE. So do our rivals. 2) NSA is often lurking undetected for years on the C2 and ORBs (proxy ho…

> 5) Knowing this, NSA's hackers (TAO) are told not to leave their hack tools ("binaries") on the server after an op. But people get lazy.

I know enough to say that this sentence reveals a lot about what snowden knows, and what he doesn't. Mostly the latter. He doesn't seem to understand the context and meaning of acronyms he uses.

Re: Snowden: Hack of an NSA server is not unprecedented, publication of the take is

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IMHO Twitter is the worst media for this kind of discussion : I would have loved to read something more substantial but being limited to 140 char forces you to omit a lot of details.

Why use something like 10 tweets where a blog post lets you have as many words as necessary. You can still be concise but 140 char is too short, it's just for people that have uninteresting things to say and Snowden is certainly not one of them (unless he starts to comment about the weather in Russia).

Re: Snowden: Hack of an NSA server is not unprecedented, publication of the take is

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It also highlights the risks of NSA exploiting zero-days and creating malware to conduct offensive operations, rather than reporting vulnerabilities to the vendor to make everyone safer. Now these tools have been stolen by one of their adversaries, and may make it out into the public for anyone to take advantage of. I just watched an excellent documentary called "Zero Days" ( https://weshare.me/823adb83b8e98628 ) thi…

Question: Does the NSA have an obligation to be ethical?

Does anyone on earth not have an obligation to be ethical? (Yes, I know there is no universally accepted definition of "ethical".)
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