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#31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Question: Does the NSA have an obligation to be ethical?

Does anyone on earth not have an obligation to be ethical? (Yes, I know there is no universally accepted definition of "ethical".)

Yes, noone does. You are not bound by law to be ethical. There's no law about it. Are you _supposed_ to act ethical? absolutely. but you dont have an obligation

Re: Snowden: Hack of an NSA server is not unprecedented, publication of the take is

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IMHO Twitter is the worst media for this kind of discussion : I would have loved to read something more substantial but being limited to 140 char forces you to omit a lot of details. Why use something like 10 tweets where a blog post lets you have as many words as necessary. You can still be concise but 140 char is too short, it's just for people that have uninteresting things to say and Snowden is certainly not one…

Because twitter has a vast public reach, more so than an individuals blog. It's also really easy to use by journalists who get pre-made sound bites, which is a bonus for the sources too - they can more easily edit and shape how they are quoted. While a blog would be much better quality, quality journalism doesn't sell nearly as well as highly-polarised, bite-sized clips.

The obvious solution is to use Twitter to link to your longer article. Isn't it?

Re: Snowden: Hack of an NSA server is not unprecedented, publication of the take is

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His complete post (just in case) original 4:40 AM - 16 Aug 2016 from @Snowden: The hack of an NSA malware staging server is not unprecedented, but the publication of the take is. Here's what you need to know: (1/x) 1) NSA traces and targets malware C2 servers in a practice called Counter Computer Network Exploitation, or CCNE. So do our rivals. 2) NSA is often lurking undetected for years on the C2 and ORBs (proxy ho…

So this seems to be the "Dr Strangelove" scenario playing out, but with (fortunately) exploits rather than nuclear weapons. It sounds like many countries have other significant exploits into other countries, but this isn't "admitted"; it's not an unignorable public fact (+). The Russian destabilisation plan is to get Western countries to see NSA attacks on them and lose trust in the US - plus an attack on the concept of democracy by getting enough people to lose faith in the US election.

(+) "unignorable public fact" is a clunky way of expressing it, but I mean something that you can bring up in a news report and politicians discuss what the appropriate reaction is, rather than challenging the fact itself. This is getting increasingly rare.

Re: Snowden: Hack of an NSA server is not unprecedented, publication of the take is

#34

IMHO Twitter is the worst media for this kind of discussion : I would have loved to read something more substantial but being limited to 140 char forces you to omit a lot of details. Why use something like 10 tweets where a blog post lets you have as many words as necessary. You can still be concise but 140 char is too short, it's just for people that have uninteresting things to say and Snowden is certainly not one…

Because twitter has a vast public reach, more so than an individuals blog. It's also really easy to use by journalists who get pre-made sound bites, which is a bonus for the sources too - they can more easily edit and shape how they are quoted. While a blog would be much better quality, quality journalism doesn't sell nearly as well as highly-polarised, bite-sized clips.

I know that, but Snowden is less superficial than politicians and journalists : he has convictions at least.

Re: Snowden: Hack of an NSA server is not unprecedented, publication of the take is

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because twitter has a vast public reach, more so than an individuals blog. It's also really easy to use by journalists who get pre-made sound bites, which is a bonus for the sources too - they can more easily edit and shape how they are quoted. While a blog would be much better quality, quality journalism doesn't sell nearly as well as highly-polarised, bite-sized clips.

The obvious solution is to use Twitter to link to your longer article. Isn't it?

Ideally, yes, although I can't actually imagine how any interesting discussion could come of this particular information in either medium - the "good" stuff will be on satellite communities like HN, reddit, 4chan.

While a blog is a better authoring medium, it's still shit for discussion, and loses some of the media impact benefits that Snowden probably intends to leverage here.

Re: Snowden: Hack of an NSA server is not unprecedented, publication of the take is

#36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does anyone on earth not have an obligation to be ethical? (Yes, I know there is no universally accepted definition of "ethical".)

Yes, noone does. You are not bound by law to be ethical. There's no law about it. Are you _supposed_ to act ethical? absolutely. but you dont have an obligation

Legal obligation being the only possible meaning of "obligation", obviously.

Re: Snowden: Hack of an NSA server is not unprecedented, publication of the take is

#37
post #10

His complete post (just in case) original 4:40 AM - 16 Aug 2016 from @Snowden: The hack of an NSA malware staging server is not unprecedented, but the publication of the take is. Here's what you need to know: (1/x) 1) NSA traces and targets malware C2 servers in a practice called Counter Computer Network Exploitation, or CCNE. So do our rivals. 2) NSA is often lurking undetected for years on the C2 and ORBs (proxy ho…

Thank you for summarizing that. As others have commented, I wish Snowden would simply blog about this sort of thing. Twitter is frustrating to digest for any insightful commentary that is on the longer side.

Yeah I don't understand why people don't just blog and be done with it, without all the formatting gredue.

Then, you can just post a link on your twitter and say "hey, see my new blog post".

Re: Snowden: Hack of an NSA server is not unprecedented, publication of the take is

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Question: Does the NSA have an obligation to be ethical?

Does anyone on earth not have an obligation to be ethical? (Yes, I know there is no universally accepted definition of "ethical".)

Yes, I don't. Because when you say "act ethical" you mean "do what pleases me". This is why you can't put forth a definition, because if you did, it would expose your hypocrisy.

And I'm not one bit interested in doing what pleases you. I'm only interested in doing what pleases ME (as is every other person on Earth, although most will never admit it out of cowardice).

So no, I don't have ANY obligation at all towards you.

Now, is it in my best interest to treat you nice and contribute to your well-being? Yes, in most circumstances I'd have to admit that it is.

Have a lovely day!

Re: Snowden: Hack of an NSA server is not unprecedented, publication of the take is

#39

IMHO Twitter is the worst media for this kind of discussion : I would have loved to read something more substantial but being limited to 140 char forces you to omit a lot of details. Why use something like 10 tweets where a blog post lets you have as many words as necessary. You can still be concise but 140 char is too short, it's just for people that have uninteresting things to say and Snowden is certainly not one…

I'm fond of tweeting a screenshot of longer text, e.g. from the notes app.

Re: Snowden: Hack of an NSA server is not unprecedented, publication of the take is

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Ed was a Booz Allen Hamilton employee only for a couple of months. He wasn't even out of his probation period as an employee. It's really amazing that in such a short time he was able to siphon all this information out of the NSA. I wonder what more information could he have collected if he had spent a longer time contracting for the NSA. I wonder how much more about the NSA we could know if people who have dedicated…

If you want to put on your tinfoil hat for a second, consider the fact that Snowden started his career in the military, then moved to CIA, then moved to Booz Allen.

It's entirely possible that Snowden is an ongoing CIA op to discredit their rival NSA as part of a turf war.

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