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Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Something about Zuck just seems inauthentic and robotic. Maybe the style of writing makes it sound like a sponsored PR piece, or maybe it's the incessant corporate speak. I suspect the reality is Zuck is a strong CEO and weak innovator. Facebook is established and boring, and now all that's left is to entrench the world with proprietary Zuckernet. I strongly suspect Zuck will become the characterized depiction of the…

I believe the problem with Mark lies in the fact that to many of us he hasn’t build anything substantial. Sure, from a technical point of view Facebook is spectacular. Other than that it’s a boring place adding no value whatsoever to the Internet. There’s nothing innovative about it. He’s isn’t solving any kind of problem. Compared to other giants of our industry he seems dull and irrelevant. And so does his vision.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Musk was after money, he wouldn't have started SpaceX. A rocket company is the dumbest way to make a fortune that you could imagine, short of putting your money in a pile and lighting it on fire. That he's made it work (so far) is miraculous.

Wouldn't mining trillion+ dollar asteroids make you a fortune?

The odds of SpaceX ever getting that far were tiny. There's a standard saying in aerospace: if you want to make a small fortune in the business, start with a large fortune.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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I'm curious what others think about the vision for a more-connected world. While I think the positives far outweigh the negatives in abstract, I wonder if the relatively segregated and disconnected civilizations we've built until now are equipped to deal with the complexities of a more-connected world. Cultural differences, religious differences, ethical differences, etc. are all potential points of friction when you…

> I'm curious what others think about the vision for a more-connected world. I don't know about anyone else, but giving people Facebook-only service and calling it pretending that's the same as full internet access is not my idea of "more connected". Free or not, that's an insane level of lock-in.

It's not a Facebook only service, includes Google, Wikipedia, etc. and is sponsored by a consortium of companies.

One bizarre consequence of zero rating limitations is that in Angola people started attaching pirated content to Wikipedia articles to create free filesharing. http://motherboard.vice.com/read/wikipedia-zero-facebook-fre...

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Musk was after money, he wouldn't have started SpaceX. A rocket company is the dumbest way to make a fortune that you could imagine, short of putting your money in a pile and lighting it on fire. That he's made it work (so far) is miraculous.

He's running it at a loss with money from other ventures so that when he works it out he is the person you have to go to. There is no altruism here, he's trying to create an industry where he would be the monopoly.

That makes little sense. There's no vendor lock-in and SpaceX has no inherent advantage over its competitors, just a greater willingness to push ahead, try new things, and relentlessly streamline. The moment one of the incumbents decides to start imitating them, or some other billionaire with an interest in space (Bezos) starts their own version, they'll have competition again, if competition even went away in the first place.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Musk was after money, he wouldn't have started SpaceX. A rocket company is the dumbest way to make a fortune that you could imagine, short of putting your money in a pile and lighting it on fire. That he's made it work (so far) is miraculous.

Rather, SpaceX is the very definition of what venture capital is supposed to invest in--A high risk / high reward enterprise.

I don't know, VC is all about high-risk/high-reward, but there are differences of degree. A rocket company is rather higher risk and lower reward than the typical VC fodder.

Even if it was VC worthy, throwing all your money into two companies like that, when you're already rich, is not the sort of thing you'd see from someone motivated by money. The whole point of VC investing is to invest a little money in a lot of them to even out the risk.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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I'm curious what others think about the vision for a more-connected world. While I think the positives far outweigh the negatives in abstract, I wonder if the relatively segregated and disconnected civilizations we've built until now are equipped to deal with the complexities of a more-connected world. Cultural differences, religious differences, ethical differences, etc. are all potential points of friction when you…

The book "Here Comes Everybody" also talks about that. Something I got out of it was that it ties people down less to a geographic area and allows to them to form communities with other like minded people (or consume like minded material). After reading it, my conclusion is that it will be negative, unless we consciously discipline ourselves because of how self-reinforcing it can be (ie we start consuming only media…

While we’re in the topic of books about worldwide connectivity may I suggest Mitchel’s” e-topia” [1]. Oldie but goodie. It describes connectivity from an architectural point of view promoting a vision about connected cities that shares a lot of commonalities with IoT, only it was written 15 years before the term became mainstream.

[1]: https://www.amazon.com/e-topia-Urban-Life-Jim-Know-ebook/dp/...

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Good to see two of the more influential CEO's having globally positive 10 year plans.

Is Zuckerberg really all that influential? Or are people just wiping his bottom because he happens to be making money (for now)?

>Is Zuckerberg really all that influential?

Yes.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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post #51
post #30

Something about Zuck just seems inauthentic and robotic. Maybe the style of writing makes it sound like a sponsored PR piece, or maybe it's the incessant corporate speak. I suspect the reality is Zuck is a strong CEO and weak innovator. Facebook is established and boring, and now all that's left is to entrench the world with proprietary Zuckernet. I strongly suspect Zuck will become the characterized depiction of the…

I believe the problem with Mark lies in the fact that to many of us he hasn’t build anything substantial. Sure, from a technical point of view Facebook is spectacular. Other than that it’s a boring place adding no value whatsoever to the Internet. There’s nothing innovative about it. He’s isn’t solving any kind of problem. Compared to other giants of our industry he seems dull and irrelevant. And so does his vision.

Facebook adds "no value whatsoever"? One billion people every day would disagree with you.

Facebook is the primary method that billions of people across the world use to stay in touch with family and friends. It's one of the most important pieces of my life and something I come back to almost every single day.

And no, I've never worked there nor will I ever. I don't own a single share of FB stock. I'm just a user who appreciates the value of what he uses, or at the very least, can appreciate the value that other people get out of a product that I myself may never use.

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The contrast to Elon Musk's plan is so striking. Musk is trying to fix global climate change, avoid the 1 million+ yearly traffic deaths and secure the future of the human race in case there is a planetary-size disaster. Zuck just wants more more users, "engagement" and in the end - opportunities for monetization.

Google wants to organize the world's information. Elon wants to go to Mars, reduce carbon emissions, save lives and increase efficiency with self-driving cars. Zuckerberg wants more users and for us to sit in VR pods like zombies.

I need to find a gif from this scene in Flash Gordon 1980:

http://www.thiel-a-vision.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/fla...

Perhaps more apt:

http://api.ning.com/files/bFPh39OVQGutOnwuJRXsBubBr1Jq6O1mbb...

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