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Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by mikeash » Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 5:53 PM UTC

blowski wrote: post #7

firasd wrote: post #5

On Free Basics: "We’ve learned a lot about how we need to interact with governments and the political system and regulators, and build support in order to have these things work. And I think we’ll take those lessons forward on the future work we’re doing in Free Basics, which by the way is continuing to roll out around the world. One day, once we’ve shown that it’s a successful program around the world, I hope that w…

While I want them to, I don't know why they should. What's in it for them?

It'll make the world a better place. Normally that would be a bad argument, but for someone who has pledged 99% of his wealth to charity it might actually be on point.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by gooseus » Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 5:54 PM UTC

mhurron wrote: post #20

johansch wrote: post #6

The contrast to Elon Musk's plan is so striking. Musk is trying to fix global climate change, avoid the 1 million+ yearly traffic deaths and secure the future of the human race in case there is a planetary-size disaster. Zuck just wants more more users, "engagement" and in the end - opportunities for monetization.

It's not so different. Zuckerberg simply came out and said 'I want your money.' whereas Musk left it as subtext. You just buy the veneer over Musk's pitch. Musk wants to change the world ... by selling you the products to do so.

Musk wants to change the world directly by providing products designed to be world-changing.

Zuckerberg hopes he can change the world through the side-effects of a product designed for advertisers to sell stuff.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by JayHost » Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 5:55 PM UTC

n72 wrote: post #19

Spread FB to everyone so he can deliver news in headlines absent of nuance with the effect of reinforcing existing held beliefs, strengthening conspiracy theories, and increasing polarization and radicalism. Thanks Mark! Glad your hot or not prank worked out so well for you.

Is facebook really not just an extension of Hot or Not.

It started as a place for dudes to see if girls had boyfriends. Now, it's all about using people's baby pictures to sell advertisements.

I don't know why women would want to use a service that is so inherently anti-woman.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by mikeash » Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 5:55 PM UTC

mhurron wrote: post #20

johansch wrote: post #6

The contrast to Elon Musk's plan is so striking. Musk is trying to fix global climate change, avoid the 1 million+ yearly traffic deaths and secure the future of the human race in case there is a planetary-size disaster. Zuck just wants more more users, "engagement" and in the end - opportunities for monetization.

It's not so different. Zuckerberg simply came out and said 'I want your money.' whereas Musk left it as subtext. You just buy the veneer over Musk's pitch. Musk wants to change the world ... by selling you the products to do so.

If Musk was after money, he wouldn't have started SpaceX. A rocket company is the dumbest way to make a fortune that you could imagine, short of putting your money in a pile and lighting it on fire. That he's made it work (so far) is miraculous.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by badlucklottery » Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 5:59 PM UTC

firasd wrote: post #14

blowski wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I want them to, I don't know why they should. What's in it for them?

Most U.S. tech companies were strong proponents of the FCC's net neutrality regulations because they don't want telecom networks to intervene between them and their users by segmenting access based on pricing or speed. Although it seems once you are as successful as Facebook (and now, Netflix) you start thinking less of "what if the ISP wants to rip me off by differentiating access to my app?" and more like "how can…

They gotta pull that ladder up behind them. If they don't they might actually have to innovate and compete in the future.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by bdrool » Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 6:01 PM UTC

uptown wrote: post #17

I'm curious what others think about the vision for a more-connected world. While I think the positives far outweigh the negatives in abstract, I wonder if the relatively segregated and disconnected civilizations we've built until now are equipped to deal with the complexities of a more-connected world. Cultural differences, religious differences, ethical differences, etc. are all potential points of friction when you…

> I'm curious what others think about the vision for a more-connected world.

I don't know about anyone else, but giving people Facebook-only service and calling it pretending that's the same as full internet access is not my idea of "more connected". Free or not, that's an insane level of lock-in.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by artursapek » Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 6:01 PM UTC

cryptoz wrote: post #16

tcoppi wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google wants to organize the world's information. Elon wants to go to Mars, reduce carbon emissions, save lives and increase efficiency with self-driving cars. Zuckerberg wants more users and for us to sit in VR pods like zombies.

> Zuckerberg wants more users and for us to sit in VR pods like zombies. http://blogs-images.forbes.com/parmyolson/files/2016/02/1271... He just looks so happy with his zombie army.

Holy shit

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by JustSomeNobody » Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 6:05 PM UTC

I'm not entirely convinced FB will exist in any significant form in 10 years.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by aerovistae » Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 6:05 PM UTC

cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #29

johansch wrote: post #6

The contrast to Elon Musk's plan is so striking. Musk is trying to fix global climate change, avoid the 1 million+ yearly traffic deaths and secure the future of the human race in case there is a planetary-size disaster. Zuck just wants more more users, "engagement" and in the end - opportunities for monetization.

I don't know where people get the idea that "flying cars" is a more noble achievement than "140 characters". All these narratives you're repeating--you probably picked it up from some news article or tweet--is just another way people package their own agenda. What you're saying is equivalent to saying police is much more important than scientists. The truth is both are important and it's foolish to say one is more im…

I can't even imagine where anyone would get the idea that saving lives and the environment is more noble than 140 characters. Hard to fathom.

Strange to equate 140 characters to "scientists," but what do I know.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by swsieber » Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 6:06 PM UTC

uptown wrote: post #17

I'm curious what others think about the vision for a more-connected world. While I think the positives far outweigh the negatives in abstract, I wonder if the relatively segregated and disconnected civilizations we've built until now are equipped to deal with the complexities of a more-connected world. Cultural differences, religious differences, ethical differences, etc. are all potential points of friction when you…

The book "Here Comes Everybody" also talks about that. Something I got out of it was that it ties people down less to a geographic area and allows to them to form communities with other like minded people (or consume like minded material).

After reading it, my conclusion is that it will be negative, unless we consciously discipline ourselves because of how self-reinforcing it can be (ie we start consuming only media that we agree with, unless we consciously decide that could be bad).