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Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by aerovistae »

mhurron wrote: post #20
johansch wrote: post #6

The contrast to Elon Musk's plan is so striking. Musk is trying to fix global climate change, avoid the 1 million+ yearly traffic deaths and secure the future of the human race in case there is a planetary-size disaster. Zuck just wants more more users, "engagement" and in the end - opportunities for monetization.

It's not so different. Zuckerberg simply came out and said 'I want your money.' whereas Musk left it as subtext. You just buy the veneer over Musk's pitch. Musk wants to change the world ... by selling you the products to do so.

Makes no sense. With $10 billion in net worth, if Musk sold his stock and lived for 40 more years, he could spend about $685,000 per day for the rest of his life.

Yet people think he's in this for more money. Hysterical.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by gohrt »

tcoppi wrote: post #11
johansch wrote: post #6

The contrast to Elon Musk's plan is so striking. Musk is trying to fix global climate change, avoid the 1 million+ yearly traffic deaths and secure the future of the human race in case there is a planetary-size disaster. Zuck just wants more more users, "engagement" and in the end - opportunities for monetization.

Google wants to organize the world's information. Elon wants to go to Mars, reduce carbon emissions, save lives and increase efficiency with self-driving cars. Zuckerberg wants more users and for us to sit in VR pods like zombies.

Google wants to flood us with information like zombies.

Elon wants us to sit in our cars and spaceships like zombies.

Everything sounds bad if you tack on "like zombies" as an empty insult at the end.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by gohrt »

aerovistae wrote: post #41
mhurron wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not so different. Zuckerberg simply came out and said 'I want your money.' whereas Musk left it as subtext. You just buy the veneer over Musk's pitch. Musk wants to change the world ... by selling you the products to do so.

Makes no sense. With $10 billion in net worth, if Musk sold his stock and lived for 40 more years, he could spend about $685,000 per day for the rest of his life. Yet people think he's in this for more money. Hysterical.

Yet you think Zuck is in it for more money?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by mhurron »

mikeash wrote: post #34
mhurron wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not so different. Zuckerberg simply came out and said 'I want your money.' whereas Musk left it as subtext. You just buy the veneer over Musk's pitch. Musk wants to change the world ... by selling you the products to do so.

If Musk was after money, he wouldn't have started SpaceX. A rocket company is the dumbest way to make a fortune that you could imagine, short of putting your money in a pile and lighting it on fire. That he's made it work (so far) is miraculous.

He's running it at a loss with money from other ventures so that when he works it out he is the person you have to go to.

There is no altruism here, he's trying to create an industry where he would be the monopoly.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by gohrt »

cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #29
johansch wrote: post #6

The contrast to Elon Musk's plan is so striking. Musk is trying to fix global climate change, avoid the 1 million+ yearly traffic deaths and secure the future of the human race in case there is a planetary-size disaster. Zuck just wants more more users, "engagement" and in the end - opportunities for monetization.

I don't know where people get the idea that "flying cars" is a more noble achievement than "140 characters". All these narratives you're repeating--you probably picked it up from some news article or tweet--is just another way people package their own agenda. What you're saying is equivalent to saying police is much more important than scientists. The truth is both are important and it's foolish to say one is more im…

The HN crowd tends toward anti-socialites who don't see the value in human communication or that purpose of life is to live it.

What's the point of going to Mars, if not to share the experience with other people?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by stcredzero »

firasd wrote: post #5

On Free Basics: "We’ve learned a lot about how we need to interact with governments and the political system and regulators, and build support in order to have these things work. And I think we’ll take those lessons forward on the future work we’re doing in Free Basics, which by the way is continuing to roll out around the world. One day, once we’ve shown that it’s a successful program around the world, I hope that w…

And you still haven't learned that what we want is not better management of regulators, but net neutrality. It blows my mind.

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" -- Upton Sinclair

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by josho »

mikeash wrote: post #34
mhurron wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not so different. Zuckerberg simply came out and said 'I want your money.' whereas Musk left it as subtext. You just buy the veneer over Musk's pitch. Musk wants to change the world ... by selling you the products to do so.

If Musk was after money, he wouldn't have started SpaceX. A rocket company is the dumbest way to make a fortune that you could imagine, short of putting your money in a pile and lighting it on fire. That he's made it work (so far) is miraculous.

Rather, SpaceX is the very definition of what venture capital is supposed to invest in--A high risk / high reward enterprise.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by Swizec »

smokeyj wrote: post #30

Something about Zuck just seems inauthentic and robotic. Maybe the style of writing makes it sound like a sponsored PR piece, or maybe it's the incessant corporate speak. I suspect the reality is Zuck is a strong CEO and weak innovator. Facebook is established and boring, and now all that's left is to entrench the world with proprietary Zuckernet. I strongly suspect Zuck will become the characterized depiction of the…

> Maybe the style of writing makes it sound like a sponsored PR piece

I wouldn't be surprised if everything he writes went through 10 layers of PR and lawyer approval and departments making sure that it absolutely certainly doesn't offend anyone, cause any potential for lawsuits, doesn't divulge off-brand information, or hints at things that haven't been approved by the rest of the company.

"Corporate speak" is shorthand for that ^. It happens when you're the face of a big company.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by jsprogrammer »

mikeash wrote: post #34
mhurron wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not so different. Zuckerberg simply came out and said 'I want your money.' whereas Musk left it as subtext. You just buy the veneer over Musk's pitch. Musk wants to change the world ... by selling you the products to do so.

If Musk was after money, he wouldn't have started SpaceX. A rocket company is the dumbest way to make a fortune that you could imagine, short of putting your money in a pile and lighting it on fire. That he's made it work (so far) is miraculous.

Wouldn't mining trillion+ dollar asteroids make you a fortune?
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