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Re: Coup attempt underway in Turkey

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Post by gkya »

blahi wrote: post #350
gkya wrote: post #344

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The EU is not at fault, but could've helped positive progress. But in your comments I can see why that hasn't been possible.

It hasn't been possible because the military changes the regime every 10 years. If the EU goes and backs up one guy, this will polarize the next guy. Get your shit together and then ask for help.

Nobody's asking for help, all I said was that it could've been a mutually useful relationship, but it didn't. Also, there are only two actual coups in turkish past, 61 and 80.

I'm sorry, I shouldn't have responded to you, as your arrogant and ignorant attitude was obvious from your initial comment on the thread, and your past comments clearly show that you're tendent to blindly post offensive, low-quality stuff. I won't respond to you any further.

Re: Coup attempt underway in Turkey

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Post by sctb »

internaut wrote: post #358
geverett wrote: post #355

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This is a really well put analysis from a friend of a friend, Alp Eren Topal, a researcher at one of Turkey's most prestigious universities: 'For the last couple of weeks there were rumors to the effect that a large group of ranked officers in Turkish Armed Forces would be forced to retire by the end of summer. My guess is that last night's move was an organized attempt by this group of officers. The quite obvious la…

Every time their religion takes over a society it goes from bad to worse. Look at what is happening now in Turkey, they have fired 1/3 of the judges, killed surrendering soldiers, are in the process of killing their enemies up and down the country, whether or not they were connected to any faux-coup. Secularism is stone cold dead. There is no place for Islam in Europe. Not. Ever. Turkey can never be part of Europe fo…

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Re: Coup attempt underway in Turkey

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Post by Tismanasou »

pavlov wrote: post #261
bane wrote: post #253

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Most successful coups kill the national leader right at the start.

Apparently there was a bomb placed at the hotel where Erdogan was vacationing, but he had already left by the time it went off.

sucker news!

Re: Coup attempt underway in Turkey

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Post by bArray »

rspeer wrote: post #347
bArray wrote: post #272

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I think the topic was Turkey - honestly I don't know enough about those Countries to make a comment on them. If they're modernised and meet the criteria, then we should certainly look to bring them in slowly. It may be a mistake to rush the process.

To be clear, Bosnia and Herzegovina is one country.

Yeah, I think because I've heard it shortened to just Bosnia I assumed it was two places. Thanks for correcting me on that.

Re: Coup attempt underway in Turkey

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Post by bArray »

danielscrubs wrote: post #340
bArray wrote: post #270

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@gkya has done a good job of elaborating part of the reason being the Westernisation of Islam. The EU is a highly Christian dominated place with a "them vs us" mentality. The EU tries to fix the world's problems without ever engaging the world's cultures. It's not about growth, it's about the future of civilisation. It's at a time where we need to be taking down barriers, not putting more up. We may not financially b…

Highly christian? I don't know a single christian and I've lived here for 30 years. We have the least religious countries _in the world_! Otherwise it sounds good but I hope you are not all talk and are yourself giving money to other religious entities.

Christianity is 72% in the EU according to Wikipedia [1], it's really high. Even if the figures are wrong or have changes, I'm willing to bet it's above 60% regardless. Makes me wonder about where you live?

What do you mean by "I hope you are not all talk and are yourself giving money to other religious entities."? I don't agree with religion in general, but I think the way forwards is to embrace it and it's cultures in order to move forwards.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_European_Union

Re: Coup attempt underway in Turkey

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Post by blahi »

gkya wrote: post #361
blahi wrote: post #350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It hasn't been possible because the military changes the regime every 10 years. If the EU goes and backs up one guy, this will polarize the next guy. Get your shit together and then ask for help.

Nobody's asking for help, all I said was that it could've been a mutually useful relationship, but it didn't. Also, there are only two actual coups in turkish past, 61 and 80. I'm sorry, I shouldn't have responded to you, as your arrogant and ignorant attitude was obvious from your initial comment on the thread, and your past comments clearly show that you're tendent to blindly post offensive, low-quality stuff. I wo…

The only arrogant one here is you. You blame the EU for Islam's obvious problems. "If the EU helped us it wouldn't have been like that". No, the EU is not here to help you. The EU is here to help itself. It acts only in self-interest as everybody should. If you can't get your shit together, you have only yourself to blame.

Re: Coup attempt underway in Turkey

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Post by TruthAndDare »

Steeeve wrote: post #360
TruthAndDare wrote: post #334

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> It's disturbing that leaders (political or religious) would put their constituents in harms way. Like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r73p95I-eE Or like in any military force, unless there was coercion going on here.

It's one thing to bring a military force to a battle. It's another thing entirely to call out unarmed civilians to deter a military force.

In both cases, the core of the matter is exposing oneself to danger for some higher cause.

Re: Coup attempt underway in Turkey

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Post by sanderjd »

Spooky23 wrote: post #186
sanderjd wrote: post #162

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This is similar to the US system, except that our Speaker of the House has less power than the Prime Minister, and our President has (a lot) more power than the monarch.

Not at all. We don't have a seperate head of state. The closest thing we have is the supreme power of the Supreme Court.

I probably should have said "analogous" instead of "similar". In practice, the different balance of power leads to a very different system. But I don't see how the president isn't a "separate head of state".

Re: Coup attempt underway in Turkey

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Post by internaut »

sctb wrote: post #362
internaut wrote: post #358

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Every time their religion takes over a society it goes from bad to worse. Look at what is happening now in Turkey, they have fired 1/3 of the judges, killed surrendering soldiers, are in the process of killing their enemies up and down the country, whether or not they were connected to any faux-coup. Secularism is stone cold dead. There is no place for Islam in Europe. Not. Ever. Turkey can never be part of Europe fo…

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Re: Coup attempt underway in Turkey

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Post by pdx »

nothrabannosir wrote: post #190
pdx wrote: post #79

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> would you support a coup in your country if that meant potentially years of unrest and economic crisis Of course I would. Once you have children, you have a foot in the future. You look at what your counry will be like in 30 or 40 or 50 years. You don't focus so much on short term gains, but on long term gains. If you feel that your country is heading down the wrong path, and altering that path will result in a bet…

> Once you have children, you have a foot in the future. I appreciate the sentiment, but you risk alienating a lot of childless people with this rhetoric. I don't have children, but I like to think I care about the future of my continent, as well.

OK. I didn't mean to alienate.

My brother-in-law, my sister, and pretty much all of our friends, are childless by choice or by circumstance, and past the point of having any. While they share our views, politically, it's not as personal to them. It's really hard to detect any level of fear or significant concern from them as to where the nation is heading over the next 30 or 40 years. They believe bad things will happen, but in a detached, non-emotional manner.

That's not really surprising to me. I am certain that I would not feel as passionate as I do, if I didn't have kids.

Many people have expressed the view the Angela Merkel would not be risking the culture of Germany or Europe, if she had children and grandchildren. My wife and I feel that way, to be sure.

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