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Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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In the last century The west has not only engaged in 1 but 2 global wars. Then topped that by holding the world hostage with nuclear annihilation. In addition to engaging in a variety of proxy wars in developing countries where they liked to install puppet dictators. All of this in the name of democracy. And let's not even get started with the bullshit in the Middle East. The west has no grounds to state they respect…

Two wrongs don't make a right

If those wrongs were 100 years ago that may be the case. But they still perpetuate that violence, as can be shown in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Do as I say, not as I do?

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> History has proven that doing away with all the uncivilised people makes a society better. Citation fairly urgently needed. Does that mean we will have to get rid of the killers as well? They're uncivilized people as well, after all. > Even if a few innocents die. Ah, that's too bad. > To make an omelette you have to break some eggs. You've got to be kidding.

>Citation fairly urgently needed. Think of African or American colonisation for example. Local opposition had to be removed. Think of the war on drugs in the USA, which was a covert operation to kill blacks. Etc >Does that mean we will have to get rid of the killers as well? They're uncivilized people as well, after all. No they are not. They earned the right to kill drug lords and junkies through democracy. With all…

> No they are not. They earned the right to kill drug lords and junkies through democracy.

Nuremberg Trials, and thus the international community, said otherwise. Being given the green light or the order to commit crimes against humanity by your government doesn't mean it's right or absolvable.

Regarding crimes against humanity

>Unlike war crimes, crimes against humanity can be committed during peace or war. They are not isolated or sporadic events, but are part either of a government policy (although the perpetrators need not identify themselves with this policy) or of a wide practice of atrocities tolerated or condoned by a government or a de facto authority. Murder, massacres, dehumanization, extermination, human experimentation, extrajudicial punishments, death squads, forced disappearances, military use of children, kidnappings, unjust imprisonment, slavery, cannibalism, torture, rape, and political or racial repression may reach the threshold of crimes against humanity if they are part of a widespread or systematic practice. [0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimes_against_humanity

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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If officers feel threatened, if you're aggressive, if you reach for something in your pocket, disobey them -- it certainly can turn out that way. The overwhelming majority, it may surprise you, take no pleasure in having to fire on someone. They want to go home to their families after work. I grew up in Phoenix, AZ -- I cannot step foot in South Phoenix for fear of my life. That's the truth. Their job is not to make…

Saying I'm black means I expect a very different approach and treatment from the police than you're typical, granola eating white liberal. I don't live in South Phoenix so why am I treated as if I do everywhere else in this country?

You do a great disservice to all the (and there are so many) black people out there who got educated, got good jobs, built families, and realized that most people honestly don't care what color they are, when you say that you're treated so poorly everywhere in the country. I'm sorry but it's nonsense. We have a black president for god's sake.

You have expectations of police as a black man, why wouldn't they have expectations of every person they stop, based on color, shoes, accent, everything. That's part of their job. You're basically saying you're justified in having a preconceived notion of how police will treat you based on your color and theirs, yet they shouldn't? When it could save their lives? Maybe some black people (i.e. the black people who don't live in the neighborhoods where these shootings go down, but spend all their time writing posts about it on Medium), should try a different approach when they've done nothing wrong and are talking to an officer: be kind and respectful and helpful. Don't be defensive and argumentative and offended. Black people who have their shit together and got out of bad neighborhoods are not getting regularly killed by police. Come on.

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Who will verify that the person they killed is truly an addict and not the CEO of a company competing with the killer's company or the killer's wife secret lover? There's a reason each country has an official justice system.

are you fucking stupid? An addict doesn't look like ceo.

> are you fucking stupid? An addict doesn't look like ceo.

Sigmund Freud and Thomas Edison used cocaine regularly. Nietzsche used opiates. William S Burroughs liked morphine a little too much. Erdos regularly used amphetamines. Hundreds of famous actors and actresses were and are addicts. Thousands of college students will use amphetamines prescribed by doctors to complete their school work, a number of them will end up addicted. Thousands of elderly men and women in America are addicted to their pain medications and probably don't know it.

It's almost as if people who commit crimes against another person should be charged and brought to trial so innocent people aren't murdered in the streets.

PS: Mike Lindell, Joe Roberts and John McAfee are/were CEOs and were active addicts.

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are you fucking stupid? An addict doesn't look like ceo.

> are you fucking stupid? An addict doesn't look like ceo. Sigmund Freud and Thomas Edison used cocaine regularly. Nietzsche used opiates. William S Burroughs liked morphine a little too much. Erdos regularly used amphetamines. Hundreds of famous actors and actresses were and are addicts. Thousands of college students will use amphetamines prescribed by doctors to complete their school work, a number of them will end…

Those are white boys. You need to come to Philippine.

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> are you fucking stupid? An addict doesn't look like ceo. Sigmund Freud and Thomas Edison used cocaine regularly. Nietzsche used opiates. William S Burroughs liked morphine a little too much. Erdos regularly used amphetamines. Hundreds of famous actors and actresses were and are addicts. Thousands of college students will use amphetamines prescribed by doctors to complete their school work, a number of them will end…

Those are white boys. You need to come to Philippine.

A Venn diagram of people who are addicts and people who commit crimes against others isn't a circle.

People who commit crimes against others should be charged and have their case heard in a court of law. Not be shot in the street. Doesn't matter if this is Camden, Detroit, Skid Row, Vancouver or the Philippines.

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> As many others have pointed out, the difference is you have BLM here and Atlantic articles that point out drone strikes publishing in the US, and there is some movement (although, not as rapid as many of us would wish for) on the ground to make things better Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Lybia, Syria. I disagree with you that any of these events created a better ground for the next one. I would say exactly the opposi…

And Crimea and Tibetan monks is okay? Again, we aren't perfect saints, and we have evils that we need to fight from certain politicians and yes segments of the population who are ignorant to the effects of our "foreign policy". I'd even argue the anti-interventionist rhetoric of Trump and Sanders is part of why they are popular, so that group of pro-interventionist, I-Don't-Give-a-Fuck-About-Non-Americans group is qu…

> At the very least, the fact we can even have this conversation is a testament to the (possibly degrading) freedom of speech that we are lucky to have in the US and one that seems to be waning now in Philippines specifically.

I'm sure some agencies of your country already knows (or may know, if they need/want) that I don't think good stuff about this "western" democracy and the US intervention in other democracies. This is not freedom of speech. This is terror.

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Saying I'm black means I expect a very different approach and treatment from the police than you're typical, granola eating white liberal. I don't live in South Phoenix so why am I treated as if I do everywhere else in this country?

You do a great disservice to all the (and there are so many) black people out there who got educated, got good jobs, built families, and realized that most people honestly don't care what color they are, when you say that you're treated so poorly everywhere in the country. I'm sorry but it's nonsense. We have a black president for god's sake. You have expectations of police as a black man, why wouldn't they have expe…

> Maybe some black people (i.e. the black people who don't live in the neighborhoods where these shootings go down, but spend all their time writing posts about it on Medium), should try a different approach when they've done nothing wrong and are talking to an officer: be kind and respectful and helpful.

I know a couple of very kind, respectful and helpful people who have been stop-and-frisked for being black and in public. They stopped visiting a mutual friend because it happened regularly traveling in his neighborhood.

They are treated differently for no fault of their own, despite being kind, respectful and helpful. There is a reason people are angry about the difference in treatment.

To give an example: When I traveled to visit a friend, I chose to stay at cheap hotel in a not so well to do area of town. I can carry my own and never felt unsafe. Apparently, the cops stake out that hotel regularly for drug deals and prostitution. I was stopped for an hour and interrogated because "Why would a white boy from out of state be staying at a place like this? Tell me about your history with prostitution. Are you _sure_ there are no drugs in your vehicle?" I was let go after my story checked out.

I felt targeted and no longer safe, because the cops had already painted a mental image of me as someone who dealt/used drugs or was involved with prostitutes and were looking for evidence to back up their presumption. I didn't feel safe leaving at night, because what if I was stopped and arrested for something I didn't do? "Why would a white boy be out at these hours in this neighborhood if he wasn't up to no good?" Those false charges would stick with me forever and I could lose my job.

I can only begin to imagine what it must feel like to be the target of actual racism with the implied assumption of being guilty until proven innocent.

> You do a great disservice to all the (and there are so many) black people out there who got educated, got good jobs, built families, and realized that most people honestly don't care what color they are, when you say that you're treated so poorly everywhere in the country. I'm sorry but it's nonsense. We have a black president for god's sake.

> Black people who have their shit together and got out of bad neighborhoods are not getting regularly killed by police. Come on.

You'll still encounter racism as a black person in America, even in the race blind techno-optimist meritocracy that is the technology sector. [0]

[0] "What interviewing for jobs feels like when you’re a black software engineer in Silicon Valley" http://qz.com/696562/what-interviewing-for-jobs-feels-like-w...

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DISCLAIMER: I am a Filipino and I live in the Philippines When an international media writes something without much knowledge on what's really going on it blows out of proportion. Now let me give you an idea of our situation here before the Duterte presidency. HISTORY ============== The Marcoses and Aquinos and their cronies, have brought the Philippines to its knees for decades (50 years). These families are what we…

Mexico could do with a President like that.

Mexico could do with a wall.
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