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Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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I believe the article headline should be "drug dealers" not "drug addicts".

>> FROM THE STORY: Speaking to a crowd of 500 in a Manila slum, Duterte said: “If you know of any addicts, go ahead and kill them yourself as getting their parents to do it would be too painful.”

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>West has all the right to "pontification" since only the West has thus far delivered a high standard of living coupled with respect for human rights. I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic. But I am sorry to inform you that "development" of the west was borne out or slave labour. It is just that simple. The was did not get developed in the past 50 years. I know, it sounds so shocking, but it is true. In 40 years wh…

I am from Latvia. We did not own any colonies and we were slaves ourselves. But we are democracy and we are for rule of law. We have quite high standard of living. And this standard of living was not created by slave labour or oil. Don't fall for politicians who blame everything on West. You have been independent for some time already. Killing of people without a trial will not make Your country any better. It will m…

Didn't think I'd have to scroll this far to see some sense. Thanks

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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How do we know Duterte isn't working with the Cartels like so many others in his position? If true, this would be a great plan to consolidate the supply chain by efficiently/extrajudicially killing off the competition while increasing profits.

Economics 101: increased risk = increased reward

Reminiscent of the 1986 drug laws[1] in the US increasing punishments by 100 fold while at the same time US officials were helping import billions of dollars of cocaine[2] to help fund Nicaraguan death squads[3].

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Drug_Abuse_Act_of_1986

[2]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/"Freeway"_Rick_Ross

[3]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_North

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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DISCLAIMER: I am a Filipino and I live in the Philippines When an international media writes something without much knowledge on what's really going on it blows out of proportion. Now let me give you an idea of our situation here before the Duterte presidency. HISTORY ============== The Marcoses and Aquinos and their cronies, have brought the Philippines to its knees for decades (50 years). These families are what we…

Here is an interesting analysis about Duterte:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmGueIli7vc

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Not directly related to Phillipines, but an actual Bay Area addict case question...And honestly, I'm not sure of individuals current state (no arrest records)... Young female from out of area (some state) comes (homeless) to a town known for downward spirals. Arrested 20+ times over 2 years, mainly around meth addiction, but seriously mental. Local people reach out to family/friends of said individual via social medi…

Addiction is not a crime, it's a symptom of a mental health issue or a social problem. Treat it as such to fix it. > many people in this community and similar are tired of people throwing their life away and expecting a safety net. That's a really disgusting approach to treating human life. These people aren't "throwing their life away", they're broken and in need of help. Why is it unreasonable to expect a society t…

> Why is it unreasonable to expect a society to look out for its weak and vulnerable?

It's perfectly reasonable.

But bullets are cheaper than care and that's why bullets rather than care fit so much better in the narrative expounded by populist leaders.

Conveniently, bullets also allow you to get rid of people that oppose you and that works better if you have a group that you've labeled 'ripe for extermination'. Then all you have to do is make people in group 'B' look like the people in group 'A'.

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> because we don't mourn criminals, thugs, people who reach for guns when confronted by police 1. 1 in 3 black people killed by police in 2015 were identified as unarmed [1]. 2. In the current example, the black victim didn't resist arrest. 3. Those 500-600 weren't criminals, because you can only say they're "criminal" after a fair trial (oh, sorry, that's something to do with "human rights", if only you could unders…

What's the current example? Of course they weren't all criminals. Many of them were, though, you know, from prior arrests/crimes. Like this recent "victim" (or angel as some would have us believe): sex offender, arrest history, felon, gun in pocket, struggling against police trying to keep him on the ground, reaching for gun. But no, he's portrayed as some beloved member of the community and family man. Five kids, bu…

If the police showed respect for the lives and rights of the people in the community that they are policing, there would be far fewer people resisting and disrespecting them.

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Society. Society is responsible. The fact that people in the richest country in the world are still having this debate is appalling to Canadians and Western Europeans. Americans will be the last on this ship, but part of living in a prosperous 21st century society means giving up some liberty (in the form of taxes, limited access to guns, suffering additional government bureaucracy) for the knowledge that getting sic…

UBI will not happen. Not because free money are not good for the people — they are. Not because everyone will suddenly get lazy and stop working — they won't. Because UBI is unsustainable and won't last more than a year. There is not enough money for any plausible scenario. That's why. And yes, let's give people "free" money and do nothing about hugely overpriced and corrupt healthcare system, education and things. I…

In the USA, it is entirely possible to institute a reasonable UBI, on the order of $10k/adult with some fractional amount for their dependents.

The question is politics: it'd also require scrapping most of our current welfare programs and instituting Scandinavian levels of taxation. This ends up goring {Republican,Democratic} {donors,clientele demographics}, so I agree that's presently an impossible lift in the USA, but that's a matter of politics, not economics.

I'm with you on fixing our broken healthcare and educational systems, but if you think that's any more practicable than a UBI, I've got a free government subsidy to sell you.

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Gotta love your brand of moral relativism.

It's easy to have a moral compass when nothing ever challenges it.

I'm susceptible as the next man, but I'm pretty damn sure I will never go around killing drug traffickers or users with the justification of improving my country or something abstract like that.

It wouldn't be the same if, for instance, they posed a direct physical threat to me or my close ones.

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Gotta love your brand of moral relativism.

Morals and ethics can only ever be relative / subjective / personal. Moral absolutism is the root of all evil.

I don't actually have a strong opinion on the matter, but keep in mind the OP is advocating killing people to improve the state of the country. In the abstract. It's "kill the narcos", not "if a narco rackets or threaten me", then I'd be justified in taking him out".

For me that's quite a line to cross.

Start fighting using non-violent means and maybe only resort to violence when confronted with violence from the other party.

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DISCLAIMER: I am a Filipino and I live in the Philippines When an international media writes something without much knowledge on what's really going on it blows out of proportion. Now let me give you an idea of our situation here before the Duterte presidency. HISTORY ============== The Marcoses and Aquinos and their cronies, have brought the Philippines to its knees for decades (50 years). These families are what we…

Mexico could do with a President like that.

Both (all?) countries could benefit from doing one thing: legalize everything.
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