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Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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No national mourning has been declared for "500-600 corpses" because we don't mourn criminals, thugs, people who reach for guns when confronted by police, people who resist arrest, etc. You act as if the police did a raid on Google and pulled all the black employees out and shot them execution style. That sort of thing is definitely not happening.

> because we don't mourn criminals, thugs, people who reach for guns when confronted by police 1. 1 in 3 black people killed by police in 2015 were identified as unarmed [1]. 2. In the current example, the black victim didn't resist arrest. 3. Those 500-600 weren't criminals, because you can only say they're "criminal" after a fair trial (oh, sorry, that's something to do with "human rights", if only you could unders…

What's the current example?

Of course they weren't all criminals. Many of them were, though, you know, from prior arrests/crimes. Like this recent "victim" (or angel as some would have us believe): sex offender, arrest history, felon, gun in pocket, struggling against police trying to keep him on the ground, reaching for gun. But no, he's portrayed as some beloved member of the community and family man. Five kids, but basically homeless. Right.

If people stopped resisting and had some respect for officers, there would be far fewer fatal shootings. If a police officer tells me to do something, I do it. That's how it works. Black people, from certain black subcultures, start in with, "Nah man why you fuckin' wit me." I really don't understand why you want to protect the dregs of society and black society who don't know how to act, rather than help improve black communities, help them educate and advance and rid themselves of their most violent and counterproductive subcultures that reward unlawful and disrespectful behavior and keep them ignorant. As a black person, you're far far far more likely to be killed by another black person than a cop. Fine, disarm the cops and move to the hood. See how wonderful it is.

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Hitler was also democratically elected. What will happen in the Philippines now is that anyone who any grudge with anyone will just kill that person and label him a drug dealer.

"Hitler was also democratically elected. " Actually his final rise to power came through back room shenanigans with Hindenburg when the popular support of the national socialist party was way below 50% of the voters.

And Extrajudical killing of opposing deputies as well as having socialist deputies arrested.

Its easier to get a quorum if you can kill your opposition

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Gotta love your brand of moral relativism.

Morals and ethics can only ever be relative / subjective / personal. Moral absolutism is the root of all evil.

Claiming moral absolutism is the root of all evil is a morally absolute statement in itself. What is the basis for this claim?

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DISCLAIMER: I am a Filipino and I live in the Philippines When an international media writes something without much knowledge on what's really going on it blows out of proportion. Now let me give you an idea of our situation here before the Duterte presidency. HISTORY ============== The Marcoses and Aquinos and their cronies, have brought the Philippines to its knees for decades (50 years). These families are what we…

During a period of unaccountable killing, I wonder if any leader can resist a list of political enemies. If the list of corruption goes up to the police, legislature, and the judiciary, does that mean that only the appropriate public figures will be killed? Will only corrupt senate members be shot?

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>Citation fairly urgently needed. Think of African or American colonisation for example. Local opposition had to be removed. Think of the war on drugs in the USA, which was a covert operation to kill blacks. Etc >Does that mean we will have to get rid of the killers as well? They're uncivilized people as well, after all. No they are not. They earned the right to kill drug lords and junkies through democracy. With all…

> Think of African or American colonisation for example. Local opposition had to be removed. Right, let's just say that that is probably not the strongest argument you could have made. > Think of the war on drugs in the USA, which was a covert operation to kill blacks. That's an interesting alternative reading. The 'war on drugs' was a misguided attempt at solving a societal problem through confrontational means. Rou…

> > Think of African or American colonisation for example. Local opposition had to be removed.

>Right, let's just say that that is probably not the strongest argument you could have made.

Are many of those countries being run better now?

One of my older servants here in Guatemala used to speak fondly of the "genocidal" general Rios Montt. During his time, she said, things were so safe. If someone robbed you, say, grabbed a purse, he'd be shot on the spot! Even now, I hear people express desire for summary execution. They're just so sick of the shittiness of these countries that due process doesn't get consideration.

I don't think many of these countries are very capable of attacking the root problems (which seems to mostly be just sheer incompetence at every conceivable level). At least not on any useful timeframes. It's almost certainly a better deal for them to become protectorates/colonies of properly run countries. Maybe on a 50-year term.

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As usual, mostly western commentators sitting on their high horses pointing and pontificating with no idea of local context or understanding. First of all, Duterte was elected overwhelmingly with a clear mandate of using brute violence to clear out drug dealers. He was clear about it and he is delivering on that mandate. I have to accept, he has made a PR error by not calling them terrorists. At which point, he will…

> Duterte was elected overwhelmingly with a clear mandate of using brute violence Democracy ensures a people gets the ruler most of them deserve.

Why the downvote? I'm calling it a democracy, which is a very generous assessment for a place where the president directs the population to kill without due process.

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> Human rights, and more specifically due process, are not 'Western', they've just been formulated there. Do you believe gravity is 'white' or 'jewish' because it was formulated by Einstein? Are you saying that human rights are real in some sense? That they're something more than arbitrary legal constructs/a civic religion devised by Westerners in the last few centuries?

Human Rights are about as real as money: you can claim it's a made-up social concept, but good luck denying its worth.

Sure, that's a good analogy. Human rights are a currency printed by the West. They have a lot of weight because of the political and economic weight of the west. But they're still fundamentally Western, and not everyone accepts that currency.

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Hitler was also democratically elected. What will happen in the Philippines now is that anyone who any grudge with anyone will just kill that person and label him a drug dealer.

To be fair, after being elected Hitler made it impossible to unelect him. Election ballot 1936: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahlrecht_in_der_Zeit_des_Nati...

Something tells me this guy will do the same.

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So You're agreeing with me that this is bullshit and US is not a democracy? After all, Obama was elected to halt Wars and we are on the brink of WWIII. You vote but don't get what you elect. Now, if we add big money to the sum, I would say the American polítical regime is the worst in the world.

> I would say the American polítical regime is the worst in the world But not for the people living there.

People supporting Trump (right wing), people supporting Bernie Sanders (left wing) and BLM (both) don't agree with this. But yeah, you have a great piece of America's population that got a lot from this world-wide regime.

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So You're agreeing with me that this is bullshit and US is not a democracy? After all, Obama was elected to halt Wars and we are on the brink of WWIII. You vote but don't get what you elect. Now, if we add big money to the sum, I would say the American polítical regime is the worst in the world.

> I would say the American polítical regime is the worst in the world But not for the people living there.

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