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Running I3 Window Manager on Ubuntu for Windows

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Re: Running I3 Window Manager on Ubuntu for Windows

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Post by SunShiranui »

sbierwagen wrote: post #102
OneNoteIsFree wrote: post #82

Save your FUD, I've been using computers for 16 years and I've never had this problem. Malware/Ransomware hit only if you go around the dark corners in search of porn/free stuff without knowing what you're downloading. Even then the built in Windows defender catches it. I love Arch too but people like you are so die hard in their toxicity that any collaboration asking about Windows related stuff is impossible.

Did you create this account just to promote Microsoft products?

It certainly looks like it... how weird.

Re: Running I3 Window Manager on Ubuntu for Windows

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Post by omegaham »

lj3 wrote: post #37
616c wrote: post #11

Am ... am I falling in love with Windows? Well, time to see if I can get StumpWM running on it, for more hipster cred. (Partly joking, partly serious.)

> Am ... am I falling in love with Windows? Spend some time with it again. You'll learn to hate it just as much as you did the first time around. For me, it's because of a single factor: BSOD caused by shitty geforce drivers. I used to think the linux geforce drivers were shit because it was a neglected platform. Now I know the truth: windows geforce drivers are full of pain and tears as well. I don't see any of the…

Are video drivers just guaranteed to be shitty in all cases?

I can't use Ubuntu 16.04 because Radeon drivers cause constant, infuriating tearing on my screen and the computer hangs on startup every other time I boot up. fglrx isn't much better, but it's at least stable.

Re: Running I3 Window Manager on Ubuntu for Windows

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Post by douche »

qplex wrote: post #136
icebraining wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is support for Windows applications on Linux, no source code needed: https://www.winehq.org/

Yes. My point was that it is trivial for Microsoft to implement support for an open system, compared to implementing support for a closed system such as Windows. There would be better support for running Windows applications under Linux if Windows was an open system.

Still, even if everything Windows-based was open-source, you'd still have to build out the shim layers in front like Wine does, unless you wanted to deal with the extreme tedium of converting all the Win32, DirectX, etc, etc, calls over.

Re: Running I3 Window Manager on Ubuntu for Windows

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Post by tehabe »

to3m wrote: post #85
JupiterMoon wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You miss the point. By config she means whether to display html mail as html, whether to display images from external sources, her language (for spell checking), her preferred set of fonts etc

OK - but if you've just changed job, the overhead of this will get lost in the noise. And this even assumes that these decisions are rightly to be left up to the employee, and not decided by the company. (E.g., HTML email display and/or displaying remote images may be a security risk, and so it could be banned entirely. It's not unusual to mandate fonts and signature for public-facing correspondence. And so on.)

But there are a lot of things which are extremely annoying in the default settings. For example in localised versions of Outlook, replys don't get "RE" in the subject line but, e.g. in the German version "AW". Also other behaviours which makes using Outlook really painfull. (Which I can't remember because I didn't use for a while now)

Yeah, I usualy turn displaying remote images off too.

Also, are there really companies who forces a certain font for emails? That is risky since you can't know if the other side supports that font.

For signature, there are even legal requirements which information needs to be provided.

Re: Running I3 Window Manager on Ubuntu for Windows

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Post by [deleted] »

arthurfm wrote: post #114
OneNoteIsFree wrote: post #82

Save your FUD, I've been using computers for 16 years and I've never had this problem. Malware/Ransomware hit only if you go around the dark corners in search of porn/free stuff without knowing what you're downloading. Even then the built in Windows defender catches it. I love Arch too but people like you are so die hard in their toxicity that any collaboration asking about Windows related stuff is impossible.

> Malware/Ransomware hit only if you go around the dark corners in search of porn/free stuff without knowing what you're downloading. As a Windows user myself even I know that's simply not true. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [1] http://www.neowin.net/news/crypto-ransomware-hits-major-webs... [2] http://arstechnica.co.uk/security/2016/04/adobe-flash-update... [3] http://arstechnica.co.uk/security/2016/04/ma…

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Re: Running I3 Window Manager on Ubuntu for Windows

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Post by diminish »

omegaham wrote: post #139
apatters wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I would agree that for a long time OpenOffice had compatibility issues (often no worse than trying to open an Office document on a Mac) but those days are long gone. Downloaded a .docx template from Hubspot recently, LibreOffice could not even begin to open it correctly, the layout was screwed up all over the place. Using this template probably saved us 20 hours of work. So the only reasonable solution here was to…

Yep. LibreOffice works... except when it doesn't. Similarly, getting Ubuntu 16's AMD drivers to work well is a clusterfuck and a half. Linux fits 99% of my use cases, and the other 1% is unbelievably frustrating.

Drivers are hard on windows too. As a non-dotnet developer windows is frustrating with 99% of use cases too.

Re: Running I3 Window Manager on Ubuntu for Windows

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Post by diminish »

A lot of alarms ringing in my mind, as a long time Linux and i3 user and developer.

1. You ran i3 as a proof of concept now but going long term you ll face dozens of issues when you want to make it useful. The same is true for everything you ll install through Ubuntu for Windows..

2. Windows mail clients are totally wrong, slow and they are not only hazardous to people using but also to receivers of emails. Outlook users don't know how to put subjects, respond and distort the format and conversation all the time. (Long time outlook user here)

3. Desktop productivity tools are long history. No reason why someone would use ms office anymore.

4. Windows for Ubuntu is doomed to be a second class citizen, and if it by chance becomes a first class citizen then why would someone need the Windows overhead and complexity? (How can I apt-get remove windows)

I congratulate MS devs taking HN seriously recently but windows in 2016 is obsolete..

Re: Running I3 Window Manager on Ubuntu for Windows

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Post by amitheonlyone »

omegaham wrote: post #139
apatters wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I would agree that for a long time OpenOffice had compatibility issues (often no worse than trying to open an Office document on a Mac) but those days are long gone. Downloaded a .docx template from Hubspot recently, LibreOffice could not even begin to open it correctly, the layout was screwed up all over the place. Using this template probably saved us 20 hours of work. So the only reasonable solution here was to…

Yep. LibreOffice works... except when it doesn't. Similarly, getting Ubuntu 16's AMD drivers to work well is a clusterfuck and a half. Linux fits 99% of my use cases, and the other 1% is unbelievably frustrating.

Bought a new laptoo with AMD APU and Radeon Graphics.Installed Ubuntu 16.04. Even though I'm using the default open source driver, there doesn't seem to be any issues for general use. Had to struggle to get the wifi driver working properly though.

So yeah, I agree with you on the 99%-1% part.

Re: Running I3 Window Manager on Ubuntu for Windows

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Post by raesene9 »

diminish wrote: post #147

A lot of alarms ringing in my mind, as a long time Linux and i3 user and developer. 1. You ran i3 as a proof of concept now but going long term you ll face dozens of issues when you want to make it useful. The same is true for everything you ll install through Ubuntu for Windows.. 2. Windows mail clients are totally wrong, slow and they are not only hazardous to people using but also to receivers of emails. Outlook u…

oh dear. I'd have to suggest here that you're projecting your own use cases and assuming that they have a universality that they really don't.

Desktop productivity tools are history... no, no they're not, MS office sells millions of copies for a reason.

Windows mail clients are wrong. They're not the same as unix mail clients for sure, but who gets to dictate whether that's right or wrong? Personally I think all mail clients that allow HTML are wrong, but I understand that I'm in a minority there.

I'd suggest that Windows has many advantages over linux on the desktop. The hardware support is better, there's a better range of desktop apps available for people who like desktop apps (including games of course).

Personally I'm looking forward to ubuntu on windows. there's a load of areas where I prefer working in a linux/unix like environment (e.g. anything command-line based where linux is far superior to Windows (although Windows is getting better in that regard)), and I hope that this will let me get the best of both worlds, whilst avoiding the overhead of running a VM.

Re: Running I3 Window Manager on Ubuntu for Windows

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Post by raesene9 »

dingo_bat wrote: post #117
Zardoz84 wrote: post #41

I work on Windows. I can say that Thunderbird is far better that Outlook.

I have the opposite experience.

I agree, I've tried both and whilst neither are the fastest programs in the universe, Outlook 2016 has been better than Thunderbird from a performance standpoint. Thunderbird was so slow, I went back to Outlook.
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