Paraphrasing from the article: Tesla Autopilot: 1 fatality per 130 million miles All US vehicles: 1 fatality per 94 million miles Worldwide vehicles: 1 fatality per 60 million miles If the statistics above are accurate, logically there should be no reason for distress, worry, accusations, or mistrust. Or at least much less so than for ordinary driving. It's like shark attacks: No matter how remote it is, there's goin…
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
> There's no reason why an entire sedan should fit under the trailer of a truck. There is, it's called capitalism, and a safety skirt costs money. The fix is, as in many cases, regulations. However, I believe that even the shown safety skirt leaves too much space below, and especially exposed tires, which is still dangerous for pedestrians and bikers.
A lot of those skirts also aren't quite as strong as they should be. Here's a comparison between one that fails testing and one that doesn't: https://youtu.be/gL8DQIAqZms?t=151 As for pedestrians and bikers, I really really like Europe's solution to that problem: Pedestrian and Bikers are illegal on the freeway. Big trucks are made strongly and forcefully impractical in cities, towns, and villages. It's crazy that I…
It's dangerous as hell, but impractical to do any other way...
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#43> It is important to note > It is important to emphasize I am getting so disappointed by how widespread this wasteful use of the English language has become. The phrase is just filler and means nothing, yet it is used everywhere, nearly every HN thread has someone who uses it. If you need to note something, then note it. By putting it into words, you have said "this is important enough to actually say it." Further sa…
If the statement is not genuinely something that needs particular attention, then I agree that such phrases should be avoided.
However Wikipedia's policies in are not particularly relevant here, as in the case of an encyclopaedia which pieces of information are important depends entirely on what the reader is looking for at any given moment - the purpose is to make the information available, not to direct the reader to pay special attention to particular bits of information.
In many other contexts, the purpose of the text is not to merely make information available, but to influence the reader, and in many cases to specifically draw their attention to specific pieces of information. E.g. consider safety instructions or documentation of something where there are serious caveats.
In those situations various forms of emphasis are important, and using specific phrases to convey that a given statement is more important can be one valid way of creating emphasis.
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#44The main problem with all of this, is that its not a true autopilot. In fact its the worst kind of autopilot. one that bails out at the last minute leaving you fuck all time to take action. telsa's autopilot is level 3, which means freeway driving only: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_car#Classification The thing I fear now is the toxic mix of fanboyism and excessive PR management reminiscent of the worst ex…
Level 3 requires the car to detect "all" conditions when something is going wrong, and provide the driver "sufficiently comfortable transition time". If there is any class of event (such as a 1m overhang) which the vehicle can't safely cope with (perhaps coming to a complete stop before requiring the driver to take over), then the driver really has to be paying attention all the time, making it a Level 2 system.
And there is basically no way to deliver on that promise on today's highways without a suite of sensors and computers that are capable enough to do full Level 4.
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#45This is just beyond me. How did the radars not see the front portion of the truck, the front wheels, the underbody of the container isn't that high to let the entire car go through?
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#46Ok, I'll bite. What's [Dupe]? Kind of like reddit tags for posts I assume?
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#47This is just beyond me. How did the radars not see the front portion of the truck, the front wheels, the underbody of the container isn't that high to let the entire car go through?
This is what I was wondering too. Which is also why I predict (although basically speculating!) that an alert driver would have noticed the actual lorry itself and made the assumption that it carried a trailer, and at the very least slowed down.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
A lot of those skirts also aren't quite as strong as they should be. Here's a comparison between one that fails testing and one that doesn't: https://youtu.be/gL8DQIAqZms?t=151 As for pedestrians and bikers, I really really like Europe's solution to that problem: Pedestrian and Bikers are illegal on the freeway. Big trucks are made strongly and forcefully impractical in cities, towns, and villages. It's crazy that I…
With the pedestrians and bikers, I mainly meant when large trucks are driving in the cities to serve e.g. supermarkets - one I worked at, right in the center of Munich, had a huge 40-ton truck serving it each day. It's dangerous as hell, but impractical to do any other way...
Deliveries inside the city are done with smaller lorries which are a bit safer maybe. If not safer, definitely more practical on tight inner-city streets.
I don't think it's practical for trucks to be designed as pedestrian safe as modern city buses are, so it's better to keep them away from pedestrians as much as possible.
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#49> It is important to note > It is important to emphasize I am getting so disappointed by how widespread this wasteful use of the English language has become. The phrase is just filler and means nothing, yet it is used everywhere, nearly every HN thread has someone who uses it. If you need to note something, then note it. By putting it into words, you have said "this is important enough to actually say it." Further sa…
Because, Orwell was awesome.
On the other hand, dashing off a quick comment isn't exactly the pinnacle of writing. "It is important to note" is lazy writing. So many of my comments here have the terrible sins of passive voice. I think; in my opinion; just; very; i throw in useless phrases all the time.
Forgive us for writing a long letter, we didn't have the time to write a short one.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
The thing I fear now, is fearmongering by people who dont drive Teslas, havent spent time with Autosteer/autopilot and ignore that this was a freak accident, that probably would have killed the driver regardless of using autopilot. This is the future of roadsafety.
Good point. But I think it is too early to call this a 'freak accident', because we don't know enough. Tesla have statistics on their side so far, but they still have not done a fraction of kilometres travelled by conventional means. I hope the technology moves forward, but the technology is not there yet and won't be appearing on a majority of new cars for decades. I predict - moreso than fear - that as more of thes…