I understand they're trying to protect their reputation, but the tone of the post is really defensive and hand-wavy which really sucks the compassion out of it.
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#32The main problem with all of this, is that its not a true autopilot. In fact its the worst kind of autopilot. one that bails out at the last minute leaving you fuck all time to take action. telsa's autopilot is level 3, which means freeway driving only: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_car#Classification The thing I fear now is the toxic mix of fanboyism and excessive PR management reminiscent of the worst ex…
Yes it has a better driving record than humans do already.
Really speaks to the promise of autopilot.
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#33The main problem with all of this, is that its not a true autopilot. In fact its the worst kind of autopilot. one that bails out at the last minute leaving you fuck all time to take action. telsa's autopilot is level 3, which means freeway driving only: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_car#Classification The thing I fear now is the toxic mix of fanboyism and excessive PR management reminiscent of the worst ex…
The thing I fear now, is fearmongering by people who dont drive Teslas, havent spent time with Autosteer/autopilot and ignore that this was a freak accident, that probably would have killed the driver regardless of using autopilot. This is the future of roadsafety.
Why do you think that this is a "freak accident"? The situation doesn't seem to be very unusual or unlikely. The sensors should definitely detect a truck that is crossing your lane.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or MAYBE it's time to install safety skirts on trucks just like they do in Europe? There's no reason why an entire sedan should fit under the trailer of a truck. This is what a truck designed for safety looks like: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Artic.lo... Notice how no part of it is higher off the ground than a foot or so. Way too low for a car to fit under. This is what truck in the US looks l…
> There's no reason why an entire sedan should fit under the trailer of a truck. There is, it's called capitalism, and a safety skirt costs money. The fix is, as in many cases, regulations. However, I believe that even the shown safety skirt leaves too much space below, and especially exposed tires, which is still dangerous for pedestrians and bikers.
A lot of those skirts also aren't quite as strong as they should be. Here's a comparison between one that fails testing and one that doesn't: https://youtu.be/gL8DQIAqZms?t=151
As for pedestrians and bikers, I really really like Europe's solution to that problem: Pedestrian and Bikers are illegal on the freeway. Big trucks are made strongly and forcefully impractical in cities, towns, and villages.
It's crazy that I live in downtown SF and there are huge freight trucks driving past my bedroom window every day.
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#35Paraphrasing from the article:
Tesla Autopilot: 1 fatality per 130 million miles
All US vehicles: 1 fatality per 94 million miles
Worldwide vehicles: 1 fatality per 60 million miles
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#36Ok, I'll bite. What's [Dupe]? Kind of like reddit tags for posts I assume?
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#37Not good enough. I think Tesla have a lot to answer for here. They are pushing the limits of a technology which Google has said, "needs to be 100% autonomous". No steering wheel. Tesla knows this, but branded their car as 'auto-pilot' anyway. When it became clear from early youtube videos that people were not using the technology 'correctly' Tesla did nothing more than issuing a statement. They should be considering…
Tesla actually use the correct term for it, the fundamental problem is a mass misunderstanding of what aircraft autopilot does.
Autopilot in an airliner is capable of flying the plane on a set course in ideal conditions. This means good weather, no other air traffic in the vicinity and full feedback from its various sensors. As soon as the plane enters a scenario outside of which it's designed to operate, control is reverted to the human pilots.
That's exactly how Tesla's system is designed. So long as the computers can account for the current scenario, the car drives itself, but it explicitly falls back on the human (who, like a pilot, must be ready to take command at any time).
A trucker pulling out on a driver and blind-siding them falls outside the definition of 'ideal condition' in my book. I live in Europe where underrun guards are mandatory on all trailers. Sounds like one wasn't fitted here. That's likely more to blame for the fatality than Tesla's software or a distracted driver - let's face it, anyone could suffer a lapse in concentration at a critical moment on the road.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or MAYBE it's time to install safety skirts on trucks just like they do in Europe? There's no reason why an entire sedan should fit under the trailer of a truck. This is what a truck designed for safety looks like: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Artic.lo... Notice how no part of it is higher off the ground than a foot or so. Way too low for a car to fit under. This is what truck in the US looks l…
> There's no reason why an entire sedan should fit under the trailer of a truck. There is, it's called capitalism, and a safety skirt costs money. The fix is, as in many cases, regulations. However, I believe that even the shown safety skirt leaves too much space below, and especially exposed tires, which is still dangerous for pedestrians and bikers.
Non for profits that buy semi trucks also do not install safety skirts. Neither do any government trucks I've seen.
I don't think capitalism is the issue.
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#39I understand they're trying to protect their reputation, but the tone of the post is really defensive and hand-wavy which really sucks the compassion out of it.
I would have found it much more appropriate to first offer condolences before stating numbers about how good their system is performing
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#40Ok, I'll bite. What's [Dupe]? Kind of like reddit tags for posts I assume?
tagging duplicates, I assume