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NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden documents show (2013)

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Re: NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden documents show (2013)

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Post by tomp »

DanBC wrote: post #33
kaffee wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Voter turnout was at record levels. It's not obvious that greater turnout of "millennials" specifically was likely to happen. Typically it's difficult to ensure that one kind of voter turns out without also increasing the rate of turnout for other kinds of voters as well.

But voter turnout for younger people (18 to 24) was less than 40%. If they'd had 75% turnout they may have swung the election. In mid 2013 there were about 5.8m people between 18 and 24.

You're asuming that the ones that didn't vote would have the same distribution as those that did.

Instead, maybe they actually were apathic, and their votes would be roughly 50-50 - so Leave could still win.

Re: NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden documents show (2013)

#102

Post by nan0 »

alanwatts wrote: post #87
toomanythings2 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The people they kill are those who have killed others. Quit pretending they are innocents just minding their own business.

Killing someone because they killed someone is an infinite loop.

So we shouldn't have done anything after all the major terror attacks in the past decade ? You need to elaborate more on your general point.

Re: NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden documents show (2013)

#103

Post by toomanythings2 »

tP5n wrote: post #98
toomanythings2 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And when the twin towers fell in NYC, were there any innocents involved?

I remember clearly when we finally drone-bombed the 9/11 attackers to dust, what a glorious day that was. wait, what?

Has nothing to do with the point being made.

Re: NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden documents show (2013)

#104

Post by tdhz77 »

datamoshr wrote: post #8

The thing that bothers me most about this as a European is; I have zero say in this, in the US you can strike out against surveillance, you can write to senators, protest against terrible legislation. Actually have a voice, however faint it is. Whereas I don't get a say but the exact same treatment from your country. The Five Eyes have made me paranoid and the only escape seems to be downgrading your phone to a brick…

Come join our Country as the 51st state.

Re: NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden documents show (2013)

#105

Post by awqrre »

sabertoothed wrote: post #68
awqrre wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You may have a say on how your government uses the data collected by the US.

Snarky, and not helpful.

They share data between governments to avoid local privacy laws... I think that the laws need to be updated to reflect that.

Re: NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden documents show (2013)

#106

Post by aleksei »

toomanythings2 wrote: post #70
cdevs wrote: post #61

Man I will forever be grateful for the eye opening insights Snowden has provided to us. I now check for https and use tor and always block cookies. How is there not a monument in every city dedicated to this hero?

So you think using any of that protects you from the Chinese, KGB, etc.? Did you forget to block localStorage, too?

What's with the attitude? Calm down. They've only said they're more careful online (a good thing), not that they're actively trying to avoid government-level surveillance.

Re: NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden documents show (2013)

#107

Post by soylentcola »

ams6110 wrote: post #78
coroutines wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was happy to see the disgust people had for the CIA black sites operated in other countries when that came to light during the Bush presidency. Not because of the torture, but because people here expected alleged terrorists to have the same rights as detained American citizens. I feel this is important to note, because we have a large population of young voters who I feel have concern for everyone - not just the US…

I think it's age more than generational. Every generation is idealistic in youth. By the time you've lived 50 or 60 years you see that you cannot wish the world to be the way you want it to be, and things are more complicated than they seemed when you were 22.

To some extent, sure. But also I've noticed that easy, cheap global communication enabled by the web and similar technologies has given people wider access to info and viewpoints from around the world whereas in past generations, you had to study abroad or live in a cosmopolitan city to get a lot of that.

I don't mean to suggest that provincialism is dead and buried but I do think that a 20-year-old today has much greater odds of at least being aware of the views and outlooks of people in other parts of the world than a 20-year old in 1970 or 1980.

Re: NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden documents show (2013)

#108

Post by [deleted] »

coroutines wrote: post #22
datamoshr wrote: post #8

The thing that bothers me most about this as a European is; I have zero say in this, in the US you can strike out against surveillance, you can write to senators, protest against terrible legislation. Actually have a voice, however faint it is. Whereas I don't get a say but the exact same treatment from your country. The Five Eyes have made me paranoid and the only escape seems to be downgrading your phone to a brick…

I was happy to see the disgust people had for the CIA black sites operated in other countries when that came to light during the Bush presidency. Not because of the torture, but because people here expected alleged terrorists to have the same rights as detained American citizens. I feel this is important to note, because we have a large population of young voters who I feel have concern for everyone - not just the US…

[deleted]

Re: NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden documents show (2013)

#109

Post by zymhan »

toomanythings2 wrote: post #92
peterkelly wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The KGB ceased to exist in 1991 with the break-up of the Soviet Union, a full three years before HTTPS was invented. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KGB https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTPS

Has nothing to do with my point. Quit pretending the Russians don't have a spy agency.

Maybe if you're trying to make a point about spy agencies, you should learn what they're called first.

Re: NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden documents show (2013)

#110

Post by DanBC »

tomp wrote: post #101
DanBC wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But voter turnout for younger people (18 to 24) was less than 40%. If they'd had 75% turnout they may have swung the election. In mid 2013 there were about 5.8m people between 18 and 24.

You're asuming that the ones that didn't vote would have the same distribution as those that did. Instead, maybe they actually were apathic, and their votes would be roughly 50-50 - so Leave could still win.

I'm going by, admittedly lousy, polling which consistently shows young people prefered remain.
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