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Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by rodgerd »

AnonymousPlanet wrote: post #401
beninvalencia wrote: post #122

As other comments have noted, the point is that the EU will not want to give the UK a good deal on leaving, because the EU does not want to give any encouragement to the other countries which want to leave the EU (some of which want to leave more strongly than the UK do - apparently). Secondly, why would the UK end up with a Norway or Switzerland deal, when the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world? This is unpr…

I wonder, how many of these cars are assembled in Britain? And how much of the supply chain is inside Britain? Will it still be economical to import parts from the EU and assemble in Britain? Maybe the supply chain will be built inside Britain, maybe assembly will shift away from Britain. This is relevant for German as well as Japanese cars. And it's not only cars. Whatever bilateral deals will be made post brexit, t…

> I wonder, how many of these cars are assembled in Britain?

Over 450,000 Nissans are built every year in Sunderland; when it opened the plant was considered the great hope of the area, which had been devastated by the decline of British manufacturing in the 80s, and Thatcherism in the 80s.

80% of those cars are exported within the EU.

An overwhelming majority of Sunderland voted to leave.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by herbst »

zghst wrote: post #358
imperio59 wrote: post #340

The most interesting thing is the age distribution of votes: HOW AGES VOTED (YouGov poll) 18-24: 75% Remain 25-49: 56% Remain 50-64: 44% Remain 65+: 39% Remain Read into it what you wish, but this really sucks for the younger generation who did not want this yet will be stuck with this decision, likely for their entire lifetime.

I find the younger are usually more naive and more easily manipulated. They're young, they'll live and adapt

Not to mention the huge amount of propaganda targeted to the youth we've seen the last weeks. It was hilarious and crazy in the same time.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by farseer »

dba7dba wrote: post #587
siscia wrote: post #426

We are all talking about economics but the whole deal is way more noble than mere money. No European ever has never think "woow this shinny $consumer_object is been produced inside the EU so I don't get to pay the import tax" but every single European younger than 50 at least once in its life has open up the Ryanair website and thought "for 30€ I guess this weekend I will be in London/Paris/Berlin/Madrid/Rome". The w…

IMHO, the opportunity was taken away by Merkel, not the older English population. Merkel welcomed migrants/refugees into Germany which ultimately meant EU due to no border control. This opened the flood gate and increased the fear factor in older English people. I'm not talking about if it was wrong/right. Just stating an event.

Those poor refugees from afghanistan, iraq, syria and libya. All countries recently bombed/invaded on the orders of the older english population. In a messianic quest for security as America's sidekick.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by grive »

chvid wrote: post #561
_ph_ wrote: post #468

A very sad day for everyone in Europe. The EU is not only about trade regulations, but about a continent who had a not very peaceful history finally growing together. The freedom of movement for European citizens was not only "convenient" but in fact an important civil right. When you live or have a business in one state of the US, you are bound to local regulations of course, but being part of the US granted you a l…

* EU has got to deliver * It needs to show that it can provide solutions for the euro financial crisis and the refugee crisis. Solutions that are sound, long term and have popular backing. It has shown that it cannot. And thus we europeans are better of with a smaller, simpler european cooperation of independent nation states. At least this should be the very real threat the EU politicians should operate under. We ne…

> And thus we europeans are better of with a smaller, simpler european cooperation of independent nation states.

They can only, by definition, find a worse solution than EU. The migrant crisis needs a solution at the scale of the continent. Individual nation state cannot deal with a crisis of this magnitude efficiently.

Without the EU, Greece, Italy, the Balkans would be left on their own to deal with the migrants. Northern and eastern nations would tell them to fuck off and keep their money. That's it.

EU is the primary channel for negotiating a long term solution. If it cannot find one, no one can.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by rubber_duck »

cabalamat wrote: post #568

> What culture do Germans, Greeks, Latvians, Bulgarians, Fins, and Spaniards share? The one that used to be called the Roman Empire, then Christendom, and is now called Western Civilisation. It is also arguably the greatest achievement of the human species.

Umm, Scandinavians were never a part of it, the fact that Christianity has 3 major splits and the history of it proves how divided they were/are. And that's not even counting the bordering influences of Muslims like Ottomans/Moors.

Also there's the ex-communist countries for a more recent cultural split.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by herbst »

disordinary wrote: post #309

The average age of someone who is voting to leave is above 60, the average age of someone who is voting to stay is below 35. The older generation have voted for something that the younger generation did not want but are now stuck with. They have voted away their future for short term gains. The sooner the baby boomers are all retired the better.

To be fair they spinned up a huge populistic propaganda machine focused on the UK youth. While i like the idea that these numbers say something, they probably dont.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by nicky0 »

alkonaut wrote: post #433

I fail to understand how this is a referendum on migration as it is claimed to be. The movement of people with the EU is independent of the flow of people into the EU (the "migrant crisis" of the Syrian war for example). So how is it about migration? Are UK voters afraid of eastern European EU migrants or is it something else? If anything, being a part of the EU allows the UK to force migrants to seek asylum in the c…

The working classes have seen wages depressed by eastern Europeans willing to work for less in skilled manual fields e.g. building. It's a sore point for many.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by cr1895 »

madshiva wrote: post #580
_ph_ wrote: post #468

A very sad day for everyone in Europe. The EU is not only about trade regulations, but about a continent who had a not very peaceful history finally growing together. The freedom of movement for European citizens was not only "convenient" but in fact an important civil right. When you live or have a business in one state of the US, you are bound to local regulations of course, but being part of the US granted you a l…

it's not sad, it's a good news. The EU was only about trade regulations, nobody is thinking that we are EU but only think I'm French, I'm German, etc. How do you want that this is working? US have done nothing special, they only use the same money, and it's still splitted in "nation" then it's the same, different rules, different culture (rage against Spanish in some state, rage against black in other). We are not un…

>they only use the same money, and it's still splitted in "nation" then it's the same, different rules, different culture

Have you ever actually been to the US?

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by dazc »

Fuxy wrote: post #581
_ph_ wrote: post #468

A very sad day for everyone in Europe. The EU is not only about trade regulations, but about a continent who had a not very peaceful history finally growing together. The freedom of movement for European citizens was not only "convenient" but in fact an important civil right. When you live or have a business in one state of the US, you are bound to local regulations of course, but being part of the US granted you a l…

Well that was unexpected but I guess not that unexpected since only British citizens were asked. If all the people living in the UK regardless of citizenship were asked the result would have been different. I wasn't allowed to vote even though I've been living in the UK over 5 years since I'm not a British citizen for example. Edit: if you're going to down-vote at least explain your reasoning.

As a UK citizen I live in Spain and I would never dream of having a say in how the Spanish people should live their lives.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by optforfon »

dandare wrote: post #439

To understand how irrational the voters decision is, consider this story: here in Czech Republic, many people now "oppose the dictate of the EU" because as a part of consumer protection scheme introduced by EU Czechia's favourite margarine brand had to change it's name from butter to margarine. Only butter products can be labeled butter now and this has become a fuel in the increase of eurosceptics. Fubar.

That being said.. the fact that there are people in Brussels that probably spend hundreds if not thousands of man-hours figuring out what is butter and is not kinda illustrates what people don't like about the EU
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