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Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by lumberjack »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #24
lossolo wrote: post #5

Unfortunately nationalism and populism won another war. Now watch Scotland make referendum to leave UK and after leaving they will join EU.

Is populism supposed to be bad? I just looked up the definition to make sure and it's basically the principle that ordinary people should have control over government rather than political insiders and wealthy elite. That sounds like democracy to me. Is there an aspect I'm missing?

It is bad because it never ends up being the case that the populist leader just does what the people want. The populist leader is always an opportunist. I cite pretty much ever single case in history as backup of my claim.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by jacquesm »

Gatsky wrote: post #121

Yet another example that immigration policy trumps pretty well all other concerns. This has played out several times in Australia. 5% of the population suddenly voted for a nationalist candidate Pauline Hanson who came from nowhere, had no policies, no credibility and no clue just because she was against immigration. Major political parties took note that day, and since then they have in various roundabout ways adopt…

The fear of the other is a very powerful button to press, as history has unfortunately documented time and again.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by draugadrotten »

generj wrote: post #399
Zpalmtree wrote: post #270

Really proud that my country chose democracy over a potential loss of money.

Nothing potential about it - your bank account is worth 10% less than it was yesterday.

...and by the same logic, any mortgage is suddenly 10% smaller? Sounds like a good deal to the average citizen.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by Zelmor »

beninvalencia wrote: post #122

As other comments have noted, the point is that the EU will not want to give the UK a good deal on leaving, because the EU does not want to give any encouragement to the other countries which want to leave the EU (some of which want to leave more strongly than the UK do - apparently). Secondly, why would the UK end up with a Norway or Switzerland deal, when the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world? This is unpr…

Keep in mind, if Scotland leaves the UK in favour of the EU, England is in deep shit regarding natural resources. REmember why those English mine towns were closed? Not much money to be made there.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by siscia »

We are all talking about economics but the whole deal is way more noble than mere money.

No European ever has never think "woow this shinny $consumer_object is been produced inside the EU so I don't get to pay the import tax" but every single European younger than 50 at least once in its life has open up the Ryanair website and thought "for 30€ I guess this weekend I will be in London/Paris/Berlin/Madrid/Rome".

The whole point of the European union is to be able to watch rugby with the English, get drunk in Berlin with good beer, being lazy at the seaside for a whole day with the Italians, have sex (or at least try to) with smoking hot French girls. And yes I can use the most stupid stereotypes because we all know that those are just stereotype and we can make fun of each other like only good friends can.

The most infuriating thing is that the oldest part of the English population is taking aways these opportunities from the youngest British.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by throwaway049 »

kaftoy wrote: post #391
beninvalencia wrote: post #122

As other comments have noted, the point is that the EU will not want to give the UK a good deal on leaving, because the EU does not want to give any encouragement to the other countries which want to leave the EU (some of which want to leave more strongly than the UK do - apparently). Secondly, why would the UK end up with a Norway or Switzerland deal, when the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world? This is unpr…

"Do you know how many German cars are sold in the UK each year?" So what you are saying is that brits will stop buying German/EU cars? Where are they going to buy their cars from? It's not like UK has some meaningfull car making industry, they moved all factories away. Not everyone can buy an Aston Martin. I think that as long as the price for an EU car will be just below the price for importing an equivalent car fro…

BMW will become a slightly more premium option if there are higher taxes. Meanwhile asian-made cars (like mine) will likely occupy the same market position they did before. Depends on the strength of Sterling as well of course.

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Post by ropiku »

lucaspiller wrote: post #369
kspaans wrote: post #225

If Northern Ireland can't secede and join the Republic of Ireland, what will happen to that land border?

Probably nothing. Ireland isn't part of Schengen and has always had relatively open borders with the UK.

It's still an EU border so unless they accept the single market (free movement of people&goods) it does have to become a real border.
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