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False accusations can and do happen all the time No, accusations are labelled as false all the time; genuinely baseless accusations are much rarer.
Maybe you have to live longer to experience this. Have encountered false accusations more than once in my life (not about me, but I knew they were false). If I'm typical, then they happen all the time everywhere?
It's a bloody mess really. http://theindicter.com/the-weaponising-of-social-part-1-the-...
The poster seems to go out of her way to frame all accusation against Jake Appelbaum as a setup to discredit him. She even begins with an apology that claiming that wikileaks and Assange are worthy of excusing him. Bascially, 'but he does good work'...!
The text analysis reaslly outlines just how far people are going to try to drown and reject any allegation. Violet Blue's post contains dozens of precise allegations, with employer, locale, people and precise situations. Many of the incidents she describes can be verified, his getting fired and the emails. Yet, we're being served the same 'but he does good work.'
A blog is no substitute for due process. Appelbaum may be guilty of all of the things he's been accused of, he may be guilty of none of them. Let's see some formal charges, sworn witness statements and court proceedings before we decide. False accusations can and do happen all the time.
False accusations can and do happen all the time No, accusations are labelled as false all the time; genuinely baseless accusations are much rarer.
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> What on earth are you talking about? Specifically, this: "When harassment, sexual or otherwise, requires a cost-benefit analysis, you have failed." And this: "When someone harasses, humiliates, discounts, abuses, threatens, stalks, takes action to harm someone, no — they do not do good work." > He should be in jail, there's nothing medieval about separating a rapist from the community. Assuming he is a rapist (he h…
> Specifically, this: "When harassment, sexual or otherwise, requires a cost-benefit analysis, you have failed." JA was not essential for Tor's continued survival as a project and a movement. They chose the convenience of a good developer at the cost of his victims. Are you going to personally tell the victims that their sacrifice was worth it, because Tor is better than ever?
Probably not, I don't know any of them personally.
> They chose the convenience of a good developer at the cost of his victims.
That's one interpretation. But maybe the community around Tor decided that these accusations are independent problem, which should be dealt with by the police and justice system. I am not part of that community, so I cannot tell them how to deal with it; they should have freedom to decide for themselves. Yes, maybe they will make some other members unhappy in the process.
Suppose the illegal act in question is a little different. It gets revealed that famous person in OSS project cheated on taxes. Should there be a call trying to ban him from working on OSS? Should everybody denounce his work? Or should he just get his punishment and continue with whatever he was doing?
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Yep. Common as hell though. Not only do I know many who've explicitly told me about such attacks, but basic statistics indicates that many people we know have been attacked, regardless of them telling us. (Of course people often don't speak up when attacked, because the rest of us are generally complicit in maintaining that culture, for example shaming or silencing targets.)
Has anyone actually put their real name on something saying they were personally attacked by him yet? Last I checked everything was just vague accusations, has this changed?
> Tor Project’s director went on to tell Wired that someone was indeed raped, that the project is working with legal, and that she “absolutely believes” the victim.
The Wired story is this: https://www.wired.com/2016/06/tor-developer-jacob-appelbaum-...
There's no name, but you have the potential for a legal case to be brought up. And, at the very least, you have the Tor Project's executive director, Shari Steele, publicly endorsing the rape accuser's actions.
That said, it's not nothing for Violet Blue (or anyone) to detail the harassment allegations that she has, one of which has at least a named witness (the editor of WIRED). Just because repeatedly telling your colleague that you'd like to fuck-them-oh-please-why-won't-you-fuck-me isn't technically rape or something that can be elevated to a criminal charge [0], that doesn't mean that it's not abuse that warrants kicking someone out of an organization.
Besides Violet Blue, Nick Farr wrote a lengthy post alleging non-sexual harassment against Appelbaum: https://medium.com/@nickf4rr/hi-im-nick-farr-nickf4rr-35c32f...
[0] Sure, that kind of harassment probably violates a criminal statute, technically. But that's not the only criteria...you also have: what the detective believes is criminal, what the district attorney believes is criminal, and even what the judge/grand jury feels is criminal (because the judge/grand jury can override the district attorney if they don't feel the charges are supported by evidence), before a criminal charge is official.
Applebaum's side of the story: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1soorlp
Perhaps I am being stereotypically Texan here, but sometimes I wish there was space in our legal and ethical system to kick someone's ass for behavior that doesn't reach the level of provable criminality but that still calls for more than a sharp rebuke, public shaming, or ostracism. Our current status quo of 'violence is never the answer' seems to give assholes a bit too much wiggle room to make the rest of us suffe…
Of course, a fake-ass "anarchist" like Applebaum might file a civil suit for a well-deserved ass-kicking, but that's still sunlight.
It's really important that we understand why it's hard for people to stand up against abuse. It's very easy to say "I would", and maybe you would, but we see time and time again that it's hard for people to make that stand.
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This is a great way to make sure you have an unjust community wherein no one has the opportunity to defend themselves and speaking ill of someone is enough to evict them.
Unfortunately, not doing this is a good way to end up in a situation like outlined in the blog post. There isn't an easy answer here.