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Re: Trump

#211

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> You also conveniently ignored the fact that Trump wants to ... I didn't ignore it, nobody even mentioned. Every argument should stand on its own, and be built on facts and logic. Tossing in words like Nazis, frothing-in-the-mouth, dangerous, fool, racism, misogyny, and dictator are all unrelated buzzwords. If you think this judge situation is so vile and leads to racist dictatorship, why have you not called for the…

Ok, I'll play your game. First, the judge situation is not the worst thing about Trump, it's actually a very very minor thing in the scheme of things, but I agree with you on the Iranian judge blocking, that is a very wrong and racist decision by whoever decided on it in the Obama admin, but it doesn't mean that, just because Obama did it, it's ok for Trump to do it. Furthermore, the only reason Trump is calling bias…

I'm not arguing that you should vote for Trump. I'm just pointing out the lies and distortion. People should make their decision based on facts.

> Trump is calling bias here is because he knows that he antagonized people of Mexican origin

Doesn't matter. Even if Trump deliberately antagonized people of Mexican origin, he still deserves fair treatment in court.

> Re: Muslim ban/profiling

Muslim profiling is the de facto security policy in the United States and has been since way before Trump announced his candidacy. If Muslim profiling is equivalent to Nazi treatment of the Jews, I look forward to your spirited campaign calling for the resignation and charging of Obama. I agree on the Muslim ban: not a good idea, would have no effect on terrorism, and is contrary to the ideals of the country.

> You said that no one mentioned it. Apparently, you and I read different articles by sama then.

It's my fault, I meant no one mentioned it in the thread, and I didn't realize that you were referencing the articles reference. But again, I do think it's irrelevant to the point about the judge. Every argument should stand on logic and truth, otherwise we're just like the conspiracy theorists who put together 1 true argument, and 9 false ones, then point to the true one whenever someone points out the issues with the false ones.

> I'm sorry, but being a Trump supporter means you accept his positions on race, immigrants, and the economy.

I do agree with his position on removing illegal immigrants. They're a modern slave labor class in America that is being capitalized by the rich. They're mistreated, underpaid, and when I look at it the only two solutions I can think of to the problem are open borders or enforcement of the borders. Unfortunately Trump is the only candidate calling for the latter.

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#212

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"When you're white, you don't know what it's like to be poor." -- Bernie Sanders

Taken in context that quote is not very shocking and certainly wasn't racist. Moreover he clarified his remarks the very next day. Trump's remarks about the judge are racist in any context and he repeated them for several days. It's rather disingenuous to compare this to Trump and suggest that it's even in the same league as what Trump said.

I don't think anyone would be shocked to hear an assertion that a white judge had mistreated someone who wasn't white on the basis of the latter's race. There might (or might not) be public debate over whether the assertion was true, but no one would be appalled merely at the claim's having been made. (Indeed, such claims are made daily and have been for many years, yet rarely seem to be regarded as less newsworthy for that.)

Why, then, should it be shocking or appalling to hear the claim made with the parties' races reversed? Are we to assume that people who aren't white are incapable of bias? Are we to assume that a judge has no power over the people whose cases are heard in his courtroom? Is the total equality of all races a principle worth upholding, or one merely worth claiming when it's convenient, and trivial to ignore when it's not? Are we, in short, to assume that only white people can be bigots?

(And, I mean, you can argue that the question is ill-founded and wrongheaded all you like, and I realize that's the temptingly easy option. You might, though, if you're really as worried about a Trump win in November as blog posts like Mr. Altman's make out, think instead about how you might actually convince somebody who asks a question like that, instead of just trying to shout him down.)

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#213

Oh how I am disparaged by Sam Altmans words. Not because they are wrong, but because they seem naive. Trump is right about the problem. His solutions are a more verbose than most. I am reminded of a quote "We must not paint with pale pastels, but with bold colors" Trump is using bold colors to address change. Mexican Judge - When has it not been heard that many white judges have shown prejudice against a black person…

Illegal immigration from Mexico is around net zero. Why should we focus on illegal immigrants when there are so many major issues to solve?

Net zero? Do you mean that just as many US citizens are illegally emigrating to Mexico? Or that no Mexicans are coming illegally to the united states?

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#215
Lets start with a very bad assumption that people mostly make rational choices and want good things to happen to themselves and their country fellows.

In this assumption, people who support Trump do not see him the way his non-supporters see him. His non supporters see hateful things around Trump. They see xenophobia, they see his plain speaking as intellectually insufficient, they see his aggressive attitude as a risky behavior based on similarities with dictators.

People who like him see him as someone who can speak politically incorrect like them and who has some wealth, success and power and hope that he might be the one that can represent them and do good.

This is battle of people who want good to win at the end. This is where things turned bad and this would be a costly mistake. The people who hate him, took moral responsibility to stop him because they truly believe they are stopping next hitler. It was disturbing to see google getting in the mix and fix the auto suggestions and google news against trump. I believe that they believe that they are doing for the good of everyone.

This in-general a very very bad and dangerous path to fix the election with media and tech firms leading the way to stop trump. Like someone said this is an American Spring. Many Americans feel left behind. Their anger and desire to thrive will turn to extreme conditions if they are suppressed longer. This is not particle physics where the projectile will stop abruptly because of the election, this is a wave and its physics is much different.

Tech companies already lost their good will by mixing with NSA and now if they continue this path and use their privilege to stop suppressed people, it might take decades to regain that trust. We are the good guys, tech has to liberate people, we might be the next wall street if we directly involve in picking and choosing the rulers.

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This certainly doesn't match what I've seen. All the people who think Trump is unfit seem perfectly willing to say so. All of the people who support him seem to be completely sincere in their belief that Trump would make a good president. I don't see anyone giving any indication that they think Trump shouldn't be president, but that they're afraid to say so. There is no "charade," as the author puts it. It's possible…

Not sure where you're seeing that. Many prominent Republicans have endorsed Trump, but then denounce comment after comment Trump makes, without ever removing their endorsement of the candidate out of loyalty to the party.

The "problem" for Republicans is that at least 1 and possibly up to 3 supreme court seats are opening up within the 4 years. Presidents come and go, congressional majorities ebb and flow, but if the Democrats get to seat 3 new justices then they might lose the Supreme Court for a generation, and the Republicans care a lot about the supreme court. So the question is not who will be the better president, but who will select the the 'better' supreme court candidates.

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#217
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What did he do that proves he is racist or bigoted?

Well, he wrote a bunch of stuff about how everything is terrible because of the Jews, then he set out to murder them all. Oh wait, you mean Trump? Tons of examples if you look. Criticizing a judge for being Mexican is one recent example.

"Mexico is not a race."

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#218
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Correct me if I am wrong, but your premise here looks like a meaningless semantic argument while ignoring why racism is bad to begin with.

...he said, because the claim that it's not possible to be racist against white people had actually won over anybody ever.

So rather than pointing out how Im wrong (as I even requested), you construct a strawman argument? I didn't claim that... its fine if you disagree with me, but be honest in your discussion.

Edit: and since you are not the person that posted the sanders quote.. im not sure how you know what they think their premise is.

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#219
post #133

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Yes, it can be. And if it is a major factor in this case, then there are methods of legal recourse. But instead he says that the judge treated him unfairly due to his race. Literally racist.

Does that mean that it is "literally racist" for a non-white person to claim a white police officer, judge, etc. treated them unfairly because of their race?

Whenever there is no evidence to support their claim and they haven't taken steps to prove otherwise, yes.

Re: Trump

#220
> But Trump is wrong about the more important part: how to fix these problems. Many of his proposals, such as they are, are so wrong they’re difficult to even respond to.

P. J. O'Rourke had an interesting take on those wrong proposals: "I have a little announcement to make ... I'm voting for Hillary. I am endorsing Hillary, and all her lies and all her empty promises. It's the second-worst thing that can happen to this country, but she's way behind in second place. She's wrong about absolutely everything, but she's wrong within normal parameters."

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