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Re: Trump

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Post by minimaximus »

ethanhunt_ wrote: post #134
minimaximus wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nice try, but you're defending the indefensible. You're arguing semantics when it's very clear what Trump means by his words, that he repeats in different sentences and occasions. What's the difference between what he actually said regarding the judge in his case and your 'clarification'? it's the same thing. You also conveniently ignored the fact that Trump wants to ban about 1.2 billion people from entering the US…

> You also conveniently ignored the fact that Trump wants to ... I didn't ignore it, nobody even mentioned. Every argument should stand on its own, and be built on facts and logic. Tossing in words like Nazis, frothing-in-the-mouth, dangerous, fool, racism, misogyny, and dictator are all unrelated buzzwords. If you think this judge situation is so vile and leads to racist dictatorship, why have you not called for the…

Ok, I'll play your game. First, the judge situation is not the worst thing about Trump, it's actually a very very minor thing in the scheme of things, but I agree with you on the Iranian judge blocking, that is a very wrong and racist decision by whoever decided on it in the Obama admin, but it doesn't mean that, just because Obama did it, it's ok for Trump to do it. Furthermore, the only reason Trump is calling bias here is because he knows that he antagonized people of Mexican origin, which is in itself a massive show of incompetence and short-sightedness.

Re: Muslim ban/profiling. You said that no one mentioned it. Apparently, you and I read different articles by sama then.

I'm sorry, but being a Trump supporter means you accept his positions on race, immigrants, and the economy. Otherwise, why on earth are you supporting him? because he told you he'll "make America great again"? no one can argue with that, but like sama mentioned, this is but a trap to lure you in, but the honey ain't there, it's just hate, misery, and xenophobia all the way inside.

Re: Trump

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Post by pbreit »

ethanhunt_ wrote: post #92
ebbv wrote: post #75

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It's not fact checking, it's repeating Trump's spin on what he's said, and it's just not true.

If you watch the interview that someone linked above, it is what he says. He says: - he is being unfair, so now I say "why" Now people invert this argument and say Trump is saying "He can't do his job because of his heritage". That's completely different from saying "he is not doing his job, and the most probable reason is his heritage". Now you can certainly say that even the latter argument is racist or xenophobic…

Trump said "it's an inherent conflict of interest". That is nearly identical to saying "He can't do his job because of his heritage".

Re: Trump

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Post by clevernickname »

splawn wrote: post #179
trcollinson wrote: post #162

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What's scary is that so many people actually want him to win. I am not sure, exactly, how that is scary. Let's take a look at the reality of our current political situation, fear mongering and demagogic arguments aside. We in the US live in a country with two parties that have, for all intents and purposes, chosen their two favorites for leaders. When we go to the polls in November we will either vote for Mrs. Clinto…

Imo, its scary because an overt racist is a viable candidate.

"When you're white, you don't know what it's like to be poor." -- Bernie Sanders

Re: Trump

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Post by mej10 »

hubert123 wrote: post #148
mej10 wrote: post #133

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Yes, it can be. And if it is a major factor in this case, then there are methods of legal recourse. But instead he says that the judge treated him unfairly due to his race. Literally racist.

If you would look at everything he said then you would know how he meant it. He mentioned LaRaza, he mentioned previous rulings from this judge and much more. Instead you pick one quote out and call it a day.

I have read everything he has said about this, and I know what he wants us to hear.

Honest questions:

Do you think it is possible that Trump is just mad that he lost and is just trying to discredit the judge?

Do you think Trump is the kind of person that would do something like that?

Re: Trump

#186

Post by throwanem »

Silicon Valley couldn't do a better job endorsing Trump if he paid them for it. (Not that they'd need him to. But he wouldn't need to, either! Unless there's some money changing hands that Mr. Altman didn't disclose, this blog post got written for free.)

Re: Trump

#187

Post by mikeash »

maxerickson wrote: post #142
mikeash wrote: post #122

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They might disagree with him on many things, but I don't think they think he's outright unfit. It seems to me that they still sincerely think he's the best choice when the other one is Clinton. In any case, it's the electorate that really matters, not the leadership. I don't see any prospective voters afraid to speak their mind. Trump supporters among the general population all seem to be completely sincere. Trump op…

You are coming close to claiming that vocal people are the ones that are vocal. How much of the electorate has not said anything to reveal their position (and how important are they when it comes to the election)?

In past elections, you'd always have people saying they were undecided and that they liked this aspect of Candidate A but that aspect of Candidate B, or similar.

I'm not hearing that this time around, except for people who are basically saying "I can't believe I have to choose between these two, I think I'll just stay home and get drunk on election day instead."

Perhaps this is just a reflection of my memory or my media consumption. But that's why I started my comment off with an explicit disclaimer that it's just about what I've seen.

Re: Trump

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Post by pbreit »

vox_mollis wrote: post #45
ethanhunt_ wrote: post #20

Disappointed to see Sam repeat things that are plainly false. Everyone says that Trump says such horrible things, but why is it that so often those same people have to misquote him to make it seem horrible? > He has said that a judge of Mexican descent couldn’t treat him fairly because of his heritage and that we should ban Muslims from entering the country. He said that a judge of Mexican descent isn't treating him…

I'm curious why this comment has been so aggressively down-voted. Do we now eschew fact-checking on HN?

Doesn't look down-voted to me but I think should be based on inaccuracies. Trump said "it's an inherent conflict of interest" which very much does imply that he does not think the judge can do his job (before considering his rulings) specifically because of his heritage.

And the WP headline remains: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06...

Re: Trump

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Post by twiceaday »

mikeaz1 wrote: post #166
floatgatenate wrote: post #161

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You are, for supporting a nationalistic demagogue riding a wave of hateful xenophobia by exploiting people's suffering during an economic downturn. Next question.

Hehe.. you guys are so funny. Nationalistic? True. Xenophobic? False. Just concerned about national security. Trump haters are a real joke

The word you are looking for is jingoistic. And denying that trump panders to xenophobes is laughable.

Re: Trump

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Post by hubert123 »

leepowers wrote: post #172
ethanhunt_ wrote: post #20

Disappointed to see Sam repeat things that are plainly false. Everyone says that Trump says such horrible things, but why is it that so often those same people have to misquote him to make it seem horrible? > He has said that a judge of Mexican descent couldn’t treat him fairly because of his heritage and that we should ban Muslims from entering the country. He said that a judge of Mexican descent isn't treating him…

> He said that a judge of Mexican descent isn't treating him fairly, and that it is probably because of his heritage. The judge is an _American_ of Mexican ethnicity. Trump said that the judge gave unfair rulings because of the judge's ethnicity. Trump is advocating that ethnicity "trumps" citizenship, judicial duty, or any other personal and professional virtues. As Paul Ryan correctly noted this kind of essentialis…

When a judge joins a group called LaRaza "the race", a violent mexican affiliated group that burns american flags and wants to return California to Mexico then maybe, just maybe race does have something to do with the ideas that this judge espouses and hence why that judge's race SEEMINGLY influences his decisions. Surely not even you think that Trump is an actual racist, as in: he thinks mexicans are worth less as human beings purely for being mexican. No, you just want to point out how he said things the "wrong" way. Well that incidentally is political correctness which is the very thing people are fed up with.
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