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Re: Trump

#161

> kill the cancer that's causing it This guy is calling Trump supporters like myself a cancer that needs to be killed. Who's the real nazi? We need Trump to fix this country and we need it fast

You are, for supporting a nationalistic demagogue riding a wave of hateful xenophobia by exploiting people's suffering during an economic downturn. Next question.

Re: Trump

#162
post #38

This certainly doesn't match what I've seen. All the people who think Trump is unfit seem perfectly willing to say so. All of the people who support him seem to be completely sincere in their belief that Trump would make a good president. I don't see anyone giving any indication that they think Trump shouldn't be president, but that they're afraid to say so. There is no "charade," as the author puts it. It's possible…

What's scary is that so many people actually want him to win.

I am not sure, exactly, how that is scary. Let's take a look at the reality of our current political situation, fear mongering and demagogic arguments aside. We in the US live in a country with two parties that have, for all intents and purposes, chosen their two favorites for leaders. When we go to the polls in November we will either vote for Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Trump. You have essentially three choices at this very moment:

1) Pick Mrs. Clinton because you believe in her principles and values more than Mr. Trumps. 2) Pick Mr. Trump because you believe in his principles and values more than Mrs. Clintons. 3) Don't vote for either Mrs. Clinton nor Mr. Trump and get whatever the rest of the population picks.

So when people say it is "scary that so many people actually want him to win", remember it is not all that scary. They just believe in his principles and values more than they believe in Mrs. Clintons. They have reason. You might think their reasons are ridiculous, stupid, or absurd. But there are only two candidates and you can only side with one. Let's not make this any bigger than it actually is.

Re: Trump

#163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nice try, but you're defending the indefensible. You're arguing semantics when it's very clear what Trump means by his words, that he repeats in different sentences and occasions. What's the difference between what he actually said regarding the judge in his case and your 'clarification'? it's the same thing. You also conveniently ignored the fact that Trump wants to ban about 1.2 billion people from entering the US…

> You also conveniently ignored the fact that Trump wants to ... I didn't ignore it, nobody even mentioned. Every argument should stand on its own, and be built on facts and logic. Tossing in words like Nazis, frothing-in-the-mouth, dangerous, fool, racism, misogyny, and dictator are all unrelated buzzwords. If you think this judge situation is so vile and leads to racist dictatorship, why have you not called for the…

Flip this around. Would you be okay with a presidential candidate saying that a white judge was unable to do his job b/c of his color? What if a ban of additional white immigrants was being proposed? Would you be okay with a female candidate stating that women are clearly superior to the inferior male?

I hope you would stand up and speak out against such actions, because I know I would.

Re: Trump

#164
post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You just quoted the reporter, not Trump! This was the same tactic used to claim that Trump said we should have all Muslims wear a mark in the U.S. A reported said that, then people said that Trump said it.

Trump: Jake, if he was giving me fair rulings, I wouldn't be talking to you this way. He's given me horrible rulings. Tapper: But I don't care if you criticize him. That's fine. You can criticize every decision. What I'm saying is, if you invoke his race as a reason why he can't do his job ... Trump: I think that's why he's doing it.

This passage supports OP claim that Trump only reacting to "horrible rulings".

But that's clearly false: "“I’m building a wall. It’s an inherent conflict of interest"

Re: Trump

#165

> kill the cancer that's causing it This guy is calling Trump supporters like myself a cancer that needs to be killed. Who's the real nazi? We need Trump to fix this country and we need it fast

Actually, I'm calling the ignorance and insecurity a cancer that needs to be killed. Nice demonstration of the insecurity, though, good job.

Re: Trump

#166

> kill the cancer that's causing it This guy is calling Trump supporters like myself a cancer that needs to be killed. Who's the real nazi? We need Trump to fix this country and we need it fast

You are, for supporting a nationalistic demagogue riding a wave of hateful xenophobia by exploiting people's suffering during an economic downturn. Next question.

Hehe.. you guys are so funny. Nationalistic? True. Xenophobic? False. Just concerned about national security. Trump haters are a real joke

Re: Trump

#168
post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that many believe Trump to be literally Hitler, bending the facts is a small price to pay to stop him.

Probably nobody who is against Trump is bending any facts to try to stop him. The only one who has no respect for reality is Trump himself.

Given that people like this (that is, willing to bend facts, lie, etc) exist, I think it's dangerous to assume they exist only in groups other than those that you ascribe yourself a member of. I believe people do horrible things for what they believe the greater good all the time, and that's just the people acting (or believe they are acting) altruistically, not the ones acting in that manner for selfish reasons.

In fact, it's hard for me to get too mad at those that think they are working for the cause of good, because even if I believe they are misguided (and would not use such tactics myself), as at least they are doing what they think is the best thing to help. Intent matters (but is, of course, not the only thing, nor even the most important thing).

Re: Trump

#169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the issue is that those people will procreate more ignorant and insecure people and the issue will never end. Highly procreative undereducated underclasses have long been a staple of American life. Give people enough resources and opportunities, and they will often better themselves. What you are seeing is what happens when you economically squeeze people.

> Give people enough resources and opportunities, and they will often better themselves. The paradox is that giving people resources and opportunities is the wisdom behind left-wing politics, the opposite of what Trump and the Republican party represent...

the opposite of what Trump and the Republican party represent...

They would disagree. Probably disagree with each other if you look close enough and can pin them down to a position. Everyone wants to provide resources and opportunities. Everyone simply disagrees on the best way to do this. (I certainly think of the market as only an imperfect but useful mechanism.)

Re: Trump

#170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You also conveniently ignored the fact that Trump wants to ... I didn't ignore it, nobody even mentioned. Every argument should stand on its own, and be built on facts and logic. Tossing in words like Nazis, frothing-in-the-mouth, dangerous, fool, racism, misogyny, and dictator are all unrelated buzzwords. If you think this judge situation is so vile and leads to racist dictatorship, why have you not called for the…

Flip this around. Would you be okay with a presidential candidate saying that a white judge was unable to do his job b/c of his color? What if a ban of additional white immigrants was being proposed? Would you be okay with a female candidate stating that women are clearly superior to the inferior male? I hope you would stand up and speak out against such actions, because I know I would.

The man isn't defending trumps views. He's making a point that Trump is being misquoted to support an argument. It doesn't matter how right or wrong you make trump out to be because it's not about that.
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