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Re: Trump

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Post by splawn »

ethanhunt_ wrote: post #92
ebbv wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not fact checking, it's repeating Trump's spin on what he's said, and it's just not true.

If you watch the interview that someone linked above, it is what he says. He says: - he is being unfair, so now I say "why" Now people invert this argument and say Trump is saying "He can't do his job because of his heritage". That's completely different from saying "he is not doing his job, and the most probable reason is his heritage". Now you can certainly say that even the latter argument is racist or xenophobic…

>Now you can certainly say that even the latter argument is racist or xenophobic or morally wrong, but why fabricate something that he never said or implied?

Why are you splitting hairs over semantics when the bottom line is that Trump is racist? Seriously... if the misquote leads to the same conclusion as the actual quote then why does it matter?

Re: Trump

#152

Post by GavinMcG »

tomjen3 wrote: post #97
GavinMcG wrote: post #27

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Hardly. Demagoguery appeals to people's emotions and prejudices, rather than rational argument. There can be no doubt that Trump takes exactly such an approach. And he has vocally encouraged violence and identified specific groups to serve as targets, based on race and religion. That description is entirely apt.

If you are going to use that description, it will apply to every politician with modest success, however it is not what is commonly thought of as a demagogue, probably because something that applies to almost everybody is a meaningless adjective.

Encouraging violence? Appealing to emotion I'll grant – though not typically as exclusively as Trump has – but appealing to prejudice? Not seeing it.

Re: Trump

#153

Post by mikeaz1 »

> kill the cancer that's causing it

This guy is calling Trump supporters like myself a cancer that needs to be killed. Who's the real nazi? We need Trump to fix this country and we need it fast

Re: Trump

#154

Post by triangleman »

DasIch wrote: post #93
kirinan wrote: post #25

While I think Trump is a bad choice, I think comparing him to Hitler is overzealous and irresponsible. There are no doubt similarities between the two but Hitler wrote an entire book about the "Jewish Peril" and how it was destroying society and needed to be dealt with. It was clear that Hitler had an agenda that was anti-semetic, and the charisma/ability to execute on it. Trump is a racist and a bigot, but he is far…

Trump isn't planning industrialized murder but he's certainly fine with deportation on a never before scale. Apart from that both are strikingly similar.

In 1954 Eisenhower approved Operation Wetback, rounding up over 1 million Mexicans and forcefully deporting them to Mexico. I am not sure anything Trump has proposed thus far would approach that scale, although he did make reference to it during a debate.

Re: Trump

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Post by [deleted] »

smacktoward wrote: post #87
kirinan wrote: post #25

While I think Trump is a bad choice, I think comparing him to Hitler is overzealous and irresponsible. There are no doubt similarities between the two but Hitler wrote an entire book about the "Jewish Peril" and how it was destroying society and needed to be dealt with. It was clear that Hitler had an agenda that was anti-semetic, and the charisma/ability to execute on it. Trump is a racist and a bigot, but he is far…

Among the very few specific policy proposals Trump has put forward, these are the most prominent: * Building a giant wall along the U.S.'s southern border to keep Mexicans out * Rounding up and deporting Hispanics currently in the U.S. on a mass scale never before seen in history I mean, yes, he's not proposing herding Hispanics into gas chambers, but he absolutely is talking about making American policy tilt harder…

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Re: Trump

#156

Post by kmiroslav »

hubert123 wrote: post #88
kmiroslav wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should take a look at how Hitler looked like in the early 30s as he was beginning his ascension toward Chancellorship. There are a lot more resemblances with Trump than you think.

so wanting ur borders secured is now literally Hitler. Okay. Well you should talk to Clinton because building a wall was her position a few years ago until her party forced her further far left. What exactly makes him racist? What exactly makes him a misogynist? I never got an answer for that.

> so wanting ur borders secured is now literally Hitler.

I never said anything even remotely close to that.

Re: Trump

#157

Post by seky »

"Being right about something" is a basic prerequisite to being a successful demagogue

Re: Trump

#158

Post by dang »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #123
colmvp wrote: post #105

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Honestly, I'm surprised to see such a political piece from YC, especially since most political links on HN get taken down within a few hours.

This one lasted less than half an hour on the front page, despite being written by the president of YC. Granted, that's about 29 minutes longer than other political posts last, but it's a pretty rough ride for something with > 200 upvotes.

Good analysis. We also penalized the thread the way we normally do for purely political stories.

Re: Trump

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Post by bryanlarsen »

acconrad wrote: post #137

So we flag posts that are political opinion pieces but as soon as Sam Altman does it we're free to hit the front page and keep it up in perpetuity?

This fell off the front page in less than half an hour despite getting > 200 votes.

Re: Trump

#160

Post by mikeash »

mikeaz1 wrote: post #119
mkane848 wrote: post #104

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Please define "real American" for me[0] http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/No_True_Scotsman

Any American who wants prosperity and safety for our country

I believe that his proposals would spark trade wars which would deeply harm our prosperity. I believe that his economic ideas are not founded in reasoning but merely in what he thinks sounds good to his supporters. I believe that Trump is not a rational person, and that his decisions would be greatly harmful simply because they wouldn't be based on facts or reason.

I don't think safety is much of an issue, because we're essentially invulnerable barring some radical change. I do think that Trump's policies could get a lot of non-Americans killed.

My one comfort is that the president is not as powerful as people think he is, and Trump might not be able to actually do any of the things he wants to do. But on the other hand, the president can potentially wield soft power over the rest of government with great effectiveness, as we saw during the Bush years, so that's hardly a guarantee

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