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Re: Police use new device to seize money in bank accounts or on prepaid cards

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Post by waterphone »

awqrre wrote: post #200

They figured that if they can steal your cash without any consequences that they should go further, wow. What will it be next, your home?

Well, they can and do seize cars regularly. If you give an illegal immigrant a ride (even innocently, even if you have no idea who they are and from your perspective you're just giving a hitchhiker a ride) and Border Patrol stops you, they will steal your car. They won't charge you with a crime unless you're an actual human trafficker, but your car gets taken away.

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Post by vkou »

Digit-Al wrote: post #255

As an Englishman, I have a couple of questions for you Americans on here. 1) Does anyone know who came up with these "civil asset forfeitures"? (Personally, they seem most un-civil to me.) 2) Can any of you defend America as "the land of the free" when more of the population are in prison than in almost any other country in the word and the police not only have the power to strip you of your property and assets witho…

1. Most recently, Ronald Reagan's take on the War on Drugs.

2. It's the land of the free if you're not one of the 'bad' minorities. That same moniker was used when it enslaved millions of people. The fact that they are now sitting in prison, instead of being forced to pick cotton is tangential.

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Post by trhway »

adventured wrote: post #229
zacharycohn wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not a fraudulent charge, though. It's perfectly legal, under state law.

You've entered into federal territory here. Banks are not regulated or controlled by the Oklahoma State Police, they're regulated by the Federal Reserve, Congress, the Treasury etc. Once the state police start stealing funds from banks, they're very obviously crossing a line that will quickly get the Feds involved on a 'personal' level. It's actually a plus, the big boys in banking (which rule over an increasingly la…

>You've entered into federal territory here. ... will put an end to the state police theft very quickly as the numbers climb

until of course they make a "profit sharing" deal with federals similar to the one in supposedly DEA related asset forfeitures performed by locals.

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Post by protomyth »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #241
protomyth wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks, like it might be a bit problematic or something deeper given his wife's arrest http://kfor.com/2015/10/07/oklahoma-senators-wife-arrested-c... Not from OK, so I get the feeling this affects things, but not sure how.

Or a well off white guy had to deal with the police in a negative context for the first time in his life and that changed his opinion of them and the power they do or don't deserve

I think calling someone racist just because of their skin color and economic position is wrong and adds to the level of hate in society.

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Post by DarkLinkXXXX »

redditplebs wrote: post #93
DickingAround wrote: post #2

And the scanner maker gets a 7% cut. What could go wrong: "the state is paying ERAD Group Inc., $5,000 for the software and scanners, then 7.7 percent of all the cash the highway patrol seizes"

Time to lookup ERAD Inc. online. Fun times ahead!

I found their website, and a page describing the service I believe these police are using. https://www.erad-group.com/fci

Also, I noticed that site:www.erad-group.com doesn't return anything on google, but it does on other search engines. Did ERAD request that it be removed from search results? Why would they do that? Why would they also not have a robots.txt if that is the case?

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Post by aero142 »

Digit-Al wrote: post #255

As an Englishman, I have a couple of questions for you Americans on here. 1) Does anyone know who came up with these "civil asset forfeitures"? (Personally, they seem most un-civil to me.) 2) Can any of you defend America as "the land of the free" when more of the population are in prison than in almost any other country in the word and the police not only have the power to strip you of your property and assets witho…

1) Civil asset forfeiture was created to seize the assets of drug cartels where the believed owner of the property in possession is in another country and has a modest army preventing extradition to stand trial. However, any government entity seeks to expand it's revenue first and foremost and this is a tremendous way to do that and it's being(predictably) abused. 2) Every country has a narrative about itself that isn't 100% correct, consistent or logical. That isn't how people work. Hopefully this ideal will help the revocation of civil asset forfeiture soon. The trend seems to be going that way.

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Post by Qantourisc »

tantalor wrote: post #201
random28345 wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It was not authorized by the card holder or a court order, so it is fraud. Sorry, you're wrong. I've had the IRS steal money directly from my bank account to pay for taxes (and fees, and fines) I didn't owe. The bank won't help you, and I had to pay a tax lawyer $1,800 to get back $3,200 in taxes (and fines) from the IRS for a stock sale I never made. The bank treats withdrawals by government agencies as legitimate…

I think the IRS is a special case; I'd add them to the list I gave above. A local police department or city government does not have this power. Update: few more examples: http://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/bankruptcy/wage-garnishm... , apparently this is quite common; still don't think PD can do it for this reason

The IRS should NOT be a special case. They should also pass trough a court (for what it's worth).

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Post by sbuttgereit »

Digit-Al wrote: post #255

As an Englishman, I have a couple of questions for you Americans on here. 1) Does anyone know who came up with these "civil asset forfeitures"? (Personally, they seem most un-civil to me.) 2) Can any of you defend America as "the land of the free" when more of the population are in prison than in almost any other country in the word and the police not only have the power to strip you of your property and assets witho…

1) The history in the U.S., it is probably fair to say, is primarily tied up in various prohibition laws, most recently drug prohibition. Though some of the precedent apparently can be traced back to British Maritime Law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United...)

2) Not if they're intellectually honest about it. If one reads the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution in context and in their spirit, it's hard to countenance that civil forfeiture is at all consistent with our founding principles. In fact, the practice is highly contrary to those principles.

(This is not to say that those principles have ever actually been properly applied consistently since day one of the Republic. Still, a damn good effort to do so ought be made.)

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Post by dragonwriter »

aero142 wrote: post #266
Digit-Al wrote: post #255

As an Englishman, I have a couple of questions for you Americans on here. 1) Does anyone know who came up with these "civil asset forfeitures"? (Personally, they seem most un-civil to me.) 2) Can any of you defend America as "the land of the free" when more of the population are in prison than in almost any other country in the word and the police not only have the power to strip you of your property and assets witho…

1) Civil asset forfeiture was created to seize the assets of drug cartels where the believed owner of the property in possession is in another country and has a modest army preventing extradition to stand trial. However, any government entity seeks to expand it's revenue first and foremost and this is a tremendous way to do that and it's being(predictably) abused. 2) Every country has a narrative about itself that is…

> Civil asset forfeiture was created to seize the assets of drug cartels where the believed owner of the property in possession is in another country and has a modest army preventing extradition to stand trial.

No, it wasn't. In the early US (which imported the legal concept from British maritime law) it was first used as a means to assure collection of customs duties. It expanded during prohibition, but even then was deployed primarily against domestic bootleggers, not kingpins residing in a foreign country with protection against extradition.

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