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Cops and robbers really means something different these days.
Billy: SURE! I get to be the Cop and the Robber, you play the innocent citizen and I'll take all your money after pulling you over for speeding!
Johnny & Billy simultaneously: YAAAYYYYYYYYY
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If you have not been charged with a crime, can you just refuse to hand over your cards?
Then they charge you for obstruction (or whatever it's called in oklahoma, in french it's called "entrave à un agent de la paix")
If they're so inclined they can take your things by force and you will have no reasonable means of recourse.
So a highway patrol officer can ask to see my license, and I'm supposed to show it. Now they're asking to see my entire wallet?! I'm assuming we're all well within our rights to refuse to hand over our wallets?
That is physically revolting. First you have civil-asset forfeiture that let's police seize money from you when you are carrying large amounts of cash (with a generous false positive rate potentially disastrous to victims). Now to get around that, you could try handling everything by card or bank transaction (unless you're one of the unfortunate few without access to a bank account due to low credit rating or other l…
Last revolution was the civil war. The people at the top forgot what the people at the bottom are capable of.
Hopefully the incredulity of this will put a spotlight on civil forfeiture and end it once and for all.
But it probably will take a decade to get to the supreme court and this will ruin lives in the meanwhile.
And then there is who is going to fill the next three supreme court judge slots and how they feel about "the police can do no wrong" authoritarianism.
And the scanner maker gets a 7% cut. What could go wrong: "the state is paying ERAD Group Inc., $5,000 for the software and scanners, then 7.7 percent of all the cash the highway patrol seizes"
> And the scanner maker gets a 7% cut. And if the courts decided that the asset forfeiture was incorrect and reimburse the person it was stolen from—does the scanner maker still keep their cut? Or are they still due their cut?
This is probably why it is incredibly difficult to dispute it and the police will put up every roadblock to stop you.
I'm a very law-and-order guy, but I have zero sympathy for police departments who pull shenanigans like this and then bitch and moan that their communities don't respect them. This gives limitless ammo to critics who want to paint police as noncaring, profit-driven thugs, probably endangering officers' lives in the process.
What an utterly despicable, contemptible move. It's simply not defensible in any way.
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Every time I've had a fraudulent charge on my account, I've contested it and had the money returned to me. I can only assume that in some cases the bank simply bites the bullet and writes this off as a cost of doing business. There's probably an upper limit to their general benevolence. Given enough fraud-like losses stemming from asset seizure, the reasonable action would be to simply block the charges before they c…
This is not a fraudulent charge, though. It's perfectly legal, under state law.
Once the state police start stealing funds from banks, they're very obviously crossing a line that will quickly get the Feds involved on a 'personal' level. It's actually a plus, the big boys in banking (which rule over an increasingly larger share of all banking nationally) will put an end to the state police theft very quickly as the numbers climb. Wells Fargo or JP Morgan, as far as the federal authorities are concerned, are drastically more powerful than the lowly Oklahoma State Police.
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Looks, like it might be a bit problematic or something deeper given his wife's arrest http://kfor.com/2015/10/07/oklahoma-senators-wife-arrested-c... Not from OK, so I get the feeling this affects things, but not sure how.
Thanks for the added context!