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Re: Muhammad Ali has died

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Post by lisper »

alayne wrote: post #112
hermannj314 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that OPs point is not necessary and his analogy with animal murder is plain wrong, but the definition of barbarism does not hinge on the existence of consent. Brutal, uncivilized, or cruel imply barbarism. Consent does not imply non-brutal and civilized and uncruel.

Sorry, I was sloppy with language just to riff on his words. Of course you are right. I wanted get at the subtext of boxing being exploitative, in particular where it is comparable to something like bullfighting. Are we really aiming for a non contact world because some people see it as primitive and cruel? That's what comments like OP's make me think. Go after unscrupulous managers or the long term injury aspect, bu…

In retrospect, I realize I should have said that it is time to retire professional boxing, not boxing in general, but it's too late to edit my original comment. Amateur boxing, where protective head gear is worn and the object is not to render your opponent unconscious, is fine with me. What makes professional boxing barbaric IMHO is that it is designed to maximize the possibility that the participants will get injured. The goal in professional boxing is to render your opponent unconscious. That is IMHO barbaric.

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Post by c3477372 »

ceyhunkazel wrote: post #63

He is a man who have a heart that bigger than his fists. “Why should they ask me to put on a uniform and go 10,000 miles from home and drop bombs and bullets on Brown people in Vietnam while so-called Negro people in Louisville are treated like dogs and denied simple human rights? No I’m not going 10,000 miles from home to help murder and burn another poor nation simply to continue the domination of white slave maste…

Do leftists love him or hate him? On the one hand there is that quote you just posted, but on the other there is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1Y693cSF7E

Re: Muhammad Ali has died

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Post by evincarofautumn »

icc97 wrote: post #111
evincarofautumn wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to grow pickles, it’s right to ask for cucumber seeds, even though a cucumber is not a pickle.

There's a mighty large Ali sized difference between pickles vs cucumbers and slave name vs ancestor name.

What I mean is that the only known way to produce a Muhammad Ali is to start with a Cassius Clay, even though there is an important distinction between them.

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Post by braythwayt »

c3477372 wrote: post #122
ceyhunkazel wrote: post #63

He is a man who have a heart that bigger than his fists. “Why should they ask me to put on a uniform and go 10,000 miles from home and drop bombs and bullets on Brown people in Vietnam while so-called Negro people in Louisville are treated like dogs and denied simple human rights? No I’m not going 10,000 miles from home to help murder and burn another poor nation simply to continue the domination of white slave maste…

Do leftists love him or hate him? On the one hand there is that quote you just posted, but on the other there is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1Y693cSF7E

Crazy idea, but maybe there are individual people that have a spectrum of political and social beliefs that don’t neatly fit into “left” and “right.” Maybe the world isn’t so starkly bipartisan as you suggest. And maybe such people have a variety of complex feelings about people that don’t neatly fit into “love” and “hate.”

Maybe, just maybe, binary thinking is the exact opposite of being a Hacker. Maybe it’s a crutch, an excuse for not seeing the world as it really is, or a rhetorical device for steering discussions away from truth and towards an end someone is trying to socially engineer.

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Post by adnam »

ceyhunkazel wrote: post #63

He is a man who have a heart that bigger than his fists. “Why should they ask me to put on a uniform and go 10,000 miles from home and drop bombs and bullets on Brown people in Vietnam while so-called Negro people in Louisville are treated like dogs and denied simple human rights? No I’m not going 10,000 miles from home to help murder and burn another poor nation simply to continue the domination of white slave maste…

Well he also said that Jews are devils, the mixing of the races is an abomination and that homosexuality is a white man’s disease.

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Post by kelukelugames »

adnam wrote: post #125
ceyhunkazel wrote: post #63

He is a man who have a heart that bigger than his fists. “Why should they ask me to put on a uniform and go 10,000 miles from home and drop bombs and bullets on Brown people in Vietnam while so-called Negro people in Louisville are treated like dogs and denied simple human rights? No I’m not going 10,000 miles from home to help murder and burn another poor nation simply to continue the domination of white slave maste…

Well he also said that Jews are devils, the mixing of the races is an abomination and that homosexuality is a white man’s disease.

Do you have aa citation?

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Post by intrasight »

It would be hard for someone who did not grow up in the '70s to understand the huge cultural influence of Muhammad Ali. The kids next door were African-American and my younger brother and I watched several of the Ali matches. He was strong, fast, smart, and good looking. He was outspoken and opinionated. He was a different kind of black man than what was portrayed in movies or on TV. He was revered by us kids at the time. If I knew nothing more than what I witnessed in the boxing ring he would still have been revered. But of course there was much more to Muhammad Ali than boxing.

Re: Muhammad Ali has died

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Post by e40 »

ceyhunkazel wrote: post #63

He is a man who have a heart that bigger than his fists. “Why should they ask me to put on a uniform and go 10,000 miles from home and drop bombs and bullets on Brown people in Vietnam while so-called Negro people in Louisville are treated like dogs and denied simple human rights? No I’m not going 10,000 miles from home to help murder and burn another poor nation simply to continue the domination of white slave maste…

I grew up in Louisville in the 60's and can attest to the poor state of race relations there.

My white grandparents had a house in the middle of the black part of town. And when I say "black" I mean except for my grandparents and my family, we never saw another white person anywhere close to their house, when we visited. We'd make the trip from the suburbs to their house every Sunday to take them food and hang out on the porch, in good weather, or the living room in bad weather. They were in their 80's and had lived in that house for 50+ years, and they saw no reason to leave. They and their neighbors were dirt poor.

As a kid, the difference between were I lived and this place I visited once a week was striking. It shaped how I felt about poor people and race relations, in general. The weird thing is that when I went there, that neighborhood felt more comfortable and friendly to me than mine in the burbs.

I remember when Ali refused to be drafted. There was a lot of anger in our home town. It help me form my feelings toward war and service. I don't think that internal dialog would have happened had he not done what he did.

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Post by rpgmaker »

c3477372 wrote: post #122
ceyhunkazel wrote: post #63

He is a man who have a heart that bigger than his fists. “Why should they ask me to put on a uniform and go 10,000 miles from home and drop bombs and bullets on Brown people in Vietnam while so-called Negro people in Louisville are treated like dogs and denied simple human rights? No I’m not going 10,000 miles from home to help murder and burn another poor nation simply to continue the domination of white slave maste…

Do leftists love him or hate him? On the one hand there is that quote you just posted, but on the other there is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1Y693cSF7E

Woah, that's just painful to watch. Thanks for the video.

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Post by Keyframe »

kelukelugames wrote: post #126
adnam wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well he also said that Jews are devils, the mixing of the races is an abomination and that homosexuality is a white man’s disease.

Do you have aa citation?

It's widely known: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJu8sVWQ-wk
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