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Women Who Code (YC S16) helps female engineers level up in their careers

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Promoting university enrollment for disadvantaged students really, like fucking really , is not the same as enslaving them. Likewise segregation was bad for a host of reasons among which was social isolation and misappropriation of resources (i.e. whites-only schools were well-funded while blacks-only schools were left to languish), both of which affirmative action is designed to remedy (and objectively does remedy b…

But isolating/segregating with women-only groups like this is good? I hope your dislike of Justice Thomas is just because you don't agree with his politics. I think your use of profanity is inappropriate regardless of your reasoning. Perhaps you would like economist Thomas Sowell better. Or perhaps you're unwilling to give honest consideration to other views.

Nice subtle accusation of racism, person-who-literally-thinks-that-some-races-are-inferior-to-others.

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Anecdotal, but my cousin was a primary school teacher and faced an incredible amount of hostility because of his gender from parents and colleagues and left for construction after 2 years.

Westerners seem to have a serious distrust in men when it comes to young children. A woman talking to kids in a park is most obviously a mom. A man talking to kids in a park is most obviously a paedophile.

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Re: Women Who Code (YC S16) helps female engineers level up in their careers

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Women who are halfway into their careers in tech are leaving at a rate of 56%, which is more than double the quit rate of men. One reason for the high quit rate may be that women have a much lower chance of being promoted, even when they have the same amount of experience and tenure as their male peers, according to the National Bureau of Economic Research. So around the time a lot of people have kids? They probably…

To my knowledge none of these groups who champion women in IT seem to talk about maternity leave. It mystifies me to be honest. The situation with maternal leave is very problematic because it is available to women only in most countries.

Women get about 10 years into their career and decide to have families. In high tech, my experience has been that maternity leave benefits are common. So women often take up to a year away from work. This puts them at a serious disadvantage. Even if their job waits for them, in the high tech industry, everybody moves on (not sure what the average attrition rate is, but I remember at one point people would change jobs every 2-3 years). So you get back to your job and everything is different. Essentially you are a new hire and you have to work your way back into the political spectrum.

Then imagine that you have a spouse who works in the IT industry. Not only did they not take the year off, but they are plugged into everything thing that's happened and have made relationships with all the new people who have shown up in the last year. It is just natural that those people will be better placed for promotion.

Also I have yet to meet a woman, after spending a year away from work to look after their new born child, who thinks, "I'm so happy to be able to hand my child over to childcare while I'm at work." Naturally you worry -- especially for your first child. Naturally you feel guilty. Naturally you don't want to give up what you have (looking after your child is an awesome job!). If you happen to have enough income coming in because your spouse works, is there really a serious argument for going back to work?

This is fixable. 6 months maternity leave followed by 6 moths paternity leave. Make it a law that spouses have the right to that 6 months. Limit the amount of maternity leave so as not to punish women in the work place. This allows the family to hand over the child to the non-childbearing spouse for 6 months so as to ease the transition of the mother. Then after those 6 months the mother has been back at work and it is the other spouse (very probably male) who has to make the hard decision of whether or not to go back to work. Also, each spouse has taken 6 months off from work and each suffers on the work side equally.

Not to mention that it really sucks that men in our society rarely get the opportunity to interact with their young children simply because they don't have the hardware to gestate a baby.

2 birds, one stone and all that.

P.S. I struggled to write in a way that would include all family styles, but if I unintentionally missed one that you care about, please accept my apologies and consider the idea anyway.

Re: Women Who Code (YC S16) helps female engineers level up in their careers

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But isolating/segregating with women-only groups like this is good? I hope your dislike of Justice Thomas is just because you don't agree with his politics. I think your use of profanity is inappropriate regardless of your reasoning. Perhaps you would like economist Thomas Sowell better. Or perhaps you're unwilling to give honest consideration to other views.

Nice subtle accusation of racism, person-who-literally-thinks-that-some-races-are-inferior-to-others.

You have that backwards. If you don't believe that some races are inferior then there are no reasons for things like affirmative action.

Re: Women Who Code (YC S16) helps female engineers level up in their careers

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Is it just me or does anyone find these type of groups too career oriented? Don't get me wrong, I am a female dev and I'm all for equal opportunity and working towards supportive environment for any gender or non-gendered, sexual orientation or no orientation. I don't really find these organisations really that helpful in bringing everyone together. I'm a nerd by nature before I knew computers existed and becoming a…

Are you actually complaining about an increased societal focus and push for women's success at work? What exactly is "too career focused", and what would you rather see from assemblies of people who are trying to bolster women's place at work -- or would you simply rather not see such assemblies at all?

Re: Women Who Code (YC S16) helps female engineers level up in their careers

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post #7

Women who are halfway into their careers in tech are leaving at a rate of 56%, which is more than double the quit rate of men. One reason for the high quit rate may be that women have a much lower chance of being promoted, even when they have the same amount of experience and tenure as their male peers, according to the National Bureau of Economic Research. So around the time a lot of people have kids? They probably…

To my knowledge none of these groups who champion women in IT seem to talk about maternity leave. It mystifies me to be honest. The situation with maternal leave is very problematic because it is available to women only in most countries. Women get about 10 years into their career and decide to have families. In high tech, my experience has been that maternity leave benefits are common. So women often take up to a ye…

interesting point, you're advocating making the maternity leave transferable somehow?

Re: Women Who Code (YC S16) helps female engineers level up in their careers

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1. When it becomes a systemic problem, i.e. women earn a significantly lower amount based on their job choices, there is an issue. The narrative of the pay-gap has largely been framed around pay for the same job, when in reality the consideration we should be making is pay-gap based on profession. The reason being that it exposes a flaw in the way that our society is socializing young women. The idea that we have tha…

Women earn lower because they choose to earn lower. Men face more pressure to earn a higher income than women, so naturally men dominate the high income fields. Then, once married, it makes more sense (economically) for the lower earning partner (the woman) to become the primary parent further widening the pay gap. Want to fix it? Tell women to instead (statistically, as a group) start marrying down in income. Then m…

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Re: Women Who Code (YC S16) helps female engineers level up in their careers

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Nice subtle accusation of racism, person-who-literally-thinks-that-some-races-are-inferior-to-others.

You have that backwards. If you don't believe that some races are inferior then there are no reasons for things like affirmative action.

I already laid out the case for affirmative action which has nothing to do with any inherent racial ability whatsoever. Your reply:

> What if the "privilege" you think you see is actually a difference in average ability or preferences between groups of people that are in fact different from each other?

...is the textbook definition of racism (and sexism). Moreover it criticizes affirmative action precisely on the basis that there are inherent differences of ability among different groups, by race or gender, etc.

Initially I gave you the benefit of the doubt, assuming for the sake of argument and also in the interest of fair discussion that you probably didn't mean what you said, exactly. It is clear now I overestimated you.

Re: Women Who Code (YC S16) helps female engineers level up in their careers

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i have trouble accepting the idea that fewer women in tech is a problem. it's not that i want to discourage women -- or anyone -- from going into tech. i just don't believe in encouraging anyone to do anything in particular, except what they enjoy. i'd appreciate it if someone can persuade me that the hype is true so i no longer need to feel like a black sheep. but.. for one, the fact that there are fewer women than…

Also, should we really be pushing anyone into a field known for social isolation, long hours, depression and suicide without making a seriously strong effort to resolve those problems as well?

it may be known for that because those are societal problems that plague men. Sadly no big push to solve those for men.

suicide (proxy for depression) : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_differences_in_suicide Hours : http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2015/time-spent-working-by-full-...

Sad thing is by introducing women it will dilute the averages making it seem like everything is aok.

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