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On the other hand, Japan's justice system has a 99% conviction rate. That doesn't happen without blatant, systemic corruption. I'd rather deal with cops who might shoot me than cops who will definitely get a confession out of me if they want one.

AFAIK a big chunk of the 99% conviction rate is because police will not pursue a case that isn't easy open and shut.

It's very disturbing to me that there are any qualifiers that could make that statistic acceptable. It's like explaining the FISA court's approval rate.

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From Australia, live in Japan. Having a gun pointed at you by police would not happen in the situation described.

On the other hand, Japan's justice system has a 99% conviction rate. That doesn't happen without blatant, systemic corruption. I'd rather deal with cops who might shoot me than cops who will definitely get a confession out of me if they want one.

USA has 93%. Both figures include plea bargains. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate

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So the subtext here is that the cops are racist, right? How would the police know the seller of the Macbook was black from the Craigslist post? How did her son know it was a weapon pressed against his back? How could the handcuffs possibly have cut his wrists? Handcuffs don't have, like, blades on them that just cut you as they're hanging off your wrists. Seems like something added to punch-up the narrative. And then…

> This screams "hoax" to me. Healthy skepticism is useful, but if you think that the editor-at-large of a well known U.S. media publication would conduct a public hoax involving her son, well, you do you.

Or it could be her son did not give an accurate account of what happened. You keep doing you as well. We'll see how this shakes out.

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i got arrested, jailed and beaten by police after calling them to help me with a car accident resolution. 4 month and $15000 spent on lawyers later they are still trying to frame me although by now all blood results show that i wasn't under the influence. and the beating, they claim it never happened and are not releasing the surveillance video of the beating. and it happened in my community into which i pay over $10…

Your fist mistake is expecting anyone in America to care about your suffering. Your second mistake is not realizing that the cops don't give a shit about your money or your color once they've targeted you. Yes, they certainly do prefer to target individuals of color because that's been their primary objective in this country for its entire existence and before it was even founded as a country. But make no mistake about it; they will target you, they will beat you, they will kill you if they so like. And they will get away with it and probably with some additional vacation (paid leave) during the investigation.

This is the price we have to pay to keep oppressing blacks, latinos, Muslims, and whomever the undesirable group of the month might happen to be. Your third mistake was underestimating the cowardice of Americans especially the cowardice and fear of white America towards blacks, Hispanics, and recently Muslims. Americans have given up most of their freedoms in exchange for a brutal, oppressive police force whose sole purpose is oppression, racism, and cruelty. What happened to you is totally fucked up, but if you think paying $100k in taxes makes you immune or somehow protected from this brutal oppression machine, you simply do not understand the forces at play here in America.

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post #41

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From Australia, live in Japan. Having a gun pointed at you by police would not happen in the situation described.

On the other hand, Japan's justice system has a 99% conviction rate. That doesn't happen without blatant, systemic corruption. I'd rather deal with cops who might shoot me than cops who will definitely get a confession out of me if they want one.

No, they only try cases they can win.

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i got arrested, jailed and beaten by police after calling them to help me with a car accident resolution. 4 month and $15000 spent on lawyers later they are still trying to frame me although by now all blood results show that i wasn't under the influence. and the beating, they claim it never happened and are not releasing the surveillance video of the beating. and it happened in my community into which i pay over $10…

Your fist mistake is expecting anyone in America to care about your suffering. Your second mistake is not realizing that the cops don't give a shit about your money or your color once they've targeted you. Yes, they certainly do prefer to target individuals of color because that's been their primary objective in this country for its entire existence and before it was even founded as a country. But make no mistake abo…

i lived here for 15 years and slowly its catching up with me. lack of accountability can be encountered in any country. in europe, in the african countries and especially in the middle east. but i was able to keep my idealistic view of america so far and now its crumbling. the guards arresting and beating me were white, hispanic, asian and i believe at least one was black. the guards on trial for the latest murder in jail are white, hispanic and asian. i don't think its race, its more about the executive branch to be out of control and broken checks and balances when it comes to the executive branch. hard not to take it personally of course, sure feels like i overstayed my welcome here.

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what country province city state ?

santa clara county, california

Yikes. When I read your first post, I just assumed this to have happened in some rural area in a less popular state or something, certainly not in silicon valley of all places. That hits a bit too close to home for comfort to say the least.

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> This screams "hoax" to me. Healthy skepticism is useful, but if you think that the editor-at-large of a well known U.S. media publication would conduct a public hoax involving her son, well, you do you.

Or it could be her son did not give an accurate account of what happened. You keep doing you as well. We'll see how this shakes out.

As the above poster mentioned, skepticism is fine, but I think you need to be careful not to fall prey to turing speculation into evidence, and also considering all possible scenarios/outcomes instead of just those that point towards your conclusion.

What I mean by the second part is when you come up with a reason to question a claim, that doesn't automatically weaken or invalidate the claim. Your first contention is basically "how can it be racism from just a craigslist posting?", that is, how did the assailants know he was black? Well, it's possible the assailants became more aggressive at the time of the meeting, after seeing the seller was black. Or perhaps the seller included a name more common with people of color. This is not suggesting that either absolutely is the case, but they are both likely and not uncommon scenarios in the present day. If you're going to begin speculation in this manner, it is only fair and reasonable to consider how your conclusion might also be falsified, considering alternate and equally plausible scenarios.

Or in the case of the cuffs, for which your comment seems to rely more on a rather dismissive statement of ignorance - cuffs certainly can and do cut and tear into skin when not used properly. Just do a quick image search for "injuries from handcuffs" (warning, some images on this search are nsfw and unpleasant) and it's plain enough to see multiple examples of damage from handcuffs, whether it be bruises or lacerations - it's fairly hard metal tightened hard around a fragile point on the human body. It's not hard to imagine how that could do damage or how bad the damage could be when used improperly (Intentionally or not). Yes, it is important to get this verified (a picture from the author would do nicely), but the basis of your skepticism is not really set in reality, but seemingly in raw skepticism.

The point I'm trying to make is that it is good to withhold judgement, but the attitude and the questions you raise really aren't sound, and instead appear almost vindictive.

Be skeptical, but part of that requires being a bit dispassionate and openly considering reasonable possibilities. It does not mean building up speculation as the foundation for a conclusion. It is possible this is a hoax, as you say. But to suggest it "screams" hoax is inaccurate.

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santa clara county, california

Yikes. When I read your first post, I just assumed this to have happened in some rural area in a less popular state or something, certainly not in silicon valley of all places. That hits a bit too close to home for comfort to say the least.

its a parallel universe, right in front of us. its disgusting what the executive branch gets away with. When you do a little research and see what is happening there right now and how there is no accountability its paralyzing. After my arrest, there has been at least 2 murders by guards. Both unaccounted for as far as i see. One person they claim died of pre-existing condition. When i was in that jail, they blatantly refused to give me my medications. And it seemed like a norm. A second was an alzheimer person. They refused to release him to his family after the judge ordered release. They made the family wait for hours, then lied to them ( or confused ) and told them he was released already. Family rushed to streets to look for him. The sick man was released at 6AM finally. Family was on the streets looking for him for hours by then. An hour later he walked onto a freeway and got killed by a car. His crime was creating a scene at a local synagogue due to his illness. As far as i can see, all it deserved was an article in a local newspaper. And thats the norm here.

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What's the tech scene in New Zealand like? How are things there going compared to Australia?

NZ badly needs a tech scene. It has not produced anything of note like Atlassian in Australia. But the lifestyle is great. Only two time zones from the Australian east coast.

Isn't Weta in NZ? They are 100x more interesting than Atlassian and their dull project management websites.
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