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Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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alwaysdownvoted wrote: post #587
barrkel wrote: post #112

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Not only did NT have a POSIX subsystem, but once upon a time I used it (when it was packaged as SFU, Services for Unix). It wasn't a pleasant experience. This will have been quite a bit more work than just a POSIX layer, IMO; POSIX defines a bunch of low-level functions that lie just under the C runtime library, but Linux defines a bunch more that expect a certain view of the world - things like clone(2), which lets…

I still use SUA every day when I'm forced to use Windows. (I also run Linux binaries on BSD.) SUA is based on an old version of BSD, not GNU. tcsh, csh and sh. The compiler works. There is an old version of lex. For some of the userland, Windows binaries are provided, such as vi. It's better than nothing. Why did MS remove SUA from Windows 10? What harm would it do to remain an optional add-in as it was in Windows 7?…

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Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by hydromet »

ewzimm wrote: post #660
technomancy wrote: post #533

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> I find it especially offensive that ex-open source and ex-Linux users The thing is, from an "open source" perspective, what they're doing is great and totally legit. From a free software perspective, it has a lot of potential to be suspicious and troubling. If all you care about is "the best technology; yay" rather than user freedoms, your concerns are moot.

Your perspective is perfectly valid, but I'd like to add another. It's possible to care about user freedoms and still think this is a good thing. It doesn't create any dependencies on Microsoft, just opens up opportunities for more full-featured free software to run on more computers. If Microsoft ever decided to pull support, nobody would be left unable to run their software. These are the same Ubuntu binaries that…

> If Microsoft ever decided to pull support, nobody would be left unable to run their software. These are the same Ubuntu binaries that run on Linux, and anyone could move over to that if they wanted to.

That's a good point. Its all about having real options (freedom to move) and minimal switching costs. That said, I'm still concerned about a possible Trojan Horse scenario here whereby Linux on Windows is the hook to try and get people into the proprietary Windows dev tools (Visual Studio etc.) and checked into the Azure "roach motel" cloud (easy to check into, hard to check out).

> Big companies like Microsoft aren't monocultures. They have some really amazing people, even if not everyone is perfectly enlightened.

Microsoft most definitely has some amazing and talented people, but I disagree with you about culture: the culture of any company is undoubtedly set from the top down (the founders or directors). Please do not be so naive to think Satya Nadella does not set the culture at Microsoft, (hierarchical in nature). This isn't to say there may not be some fiefdoms within a company as large as Microsoft, but there is an overarching culture and it comes from the top.

> Many of us don't just use one computer.

This is probably true for some, but some people might only be able to afford one computer. One scenario I can see which might be appealing to a developer, as of this announcement yesterday, is using a MacBook with Apple's Boot Camp to partition the internal drive such that one could have as many options as possible (OS X on one partition, and Windows 10 with Linux on the other).

> GNU won against all odds. It's here to stay, proliferating across so many devices. I'm happy to welcome people who might not have ventured outside Windows into the family!

It would be really cool to hear what RMS (Richard Stallman) thinks about this. I wonder if he's be up for an AMA on Reddit to address this seemingly earth shaking announcement by MSFT?

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by coldtea »

ageofwant wrote: post #628
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> It amazes me that people will rag on linux because its "hard" and then build these elaborate Rube-Goldberg machines to avoid the most obvious solution. It amazes that people don't understand that one's usage patterns might be different, so "just use Ubuntu" wouldn't be applicable (e.g. UNIX savvy guy who appreciates the shells and userland, but nevertheless wants to do Windows .NET development, or work with native…

The "UNIX savvy guy" will just use Windows when he needs to, either in a VM, a Azure windows instance or his company provided laptop and call it a day. All the yakka spent on avoiding the obvious solutions to justify "usage patterns", should signal any half-aware dev that those precious patterns are broken.

>The "UNIX savvy guy" will just use Windows when he needs to, either in a VM, a Azure windows instance or his company provided laptop and call it a day.

Still missing the fact that he could be needing them 24/7 for his work...

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by JorgeGT »

jdub wrote: post #575
JorgeGT wrote: post #258

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I wonder if these utilities can reach a locally-running X server?

If nothing else, based on the capabilities demonstrated so far, you should (theoretically) be able to run local Linux X client apps to a Windows X server over localhost TCP. You'll miss out on a few optimisations available when using shared memory, but not much.

I just saw this demo video https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2016/P488?ocid=player where they demonstrate how the Ruby rack webserver runs flawlessly through the localhost address so it looks like you are totally correct. Awesome!

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Post by rdsnsca »

eertami wrote: post #743
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"Apple is just as proprietary, commercial and anti-competitive as Microsoft here." The big difference is that Apple actually doesn't f k their users in the ass. People always complain how Apple products are so expensive etc. but you know that's how they make money and they actually invest in to the privacy and security of their users (good example: the FBI case) I will happily keep on paying high price for the Apple…

>I will happily keep on paying high price for the Apple products in the future too as long as all of my personal data is not being broadcasted Yeah I'm sure all those celebs that had all their nude photos stolen from icloud would totally agree that Apple takes great care with personal data. Are you trying to justify needlessly spending 600$ on a phone every year? That's your prerogative, you don't have to convince st…

Apples security was not breached, those celebrities fell for a phishing scam.

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Post by sbarre »

13of40 wrote: post #244
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Your first point describes me exactly (and many other developers I know). I grew up a Windows user, and switched to OS X because of the unix-like command line environment that more closely matched the servers I was working with in my job environments. I would most likely switch back to Windows as my primary/only machine (because I also like to play video games sometimes) if I had the same kind of unix-like command li…

> I grew up a Windows user, and switched to OS X because of the unix-like command line environment that more closely matched the servers I was working with in my job environments. Out of curiosity, why would you not just go with a Linux desktop for that?

Because when i switched to OS X - over 10 years ago - I still needed access to Photoshop, MS Office and other modern business tools, most of which are still not available on Linux to this day.

And also because the user experience of OS X (and the "just works" aspects of the OS in general) is far above that of any Linux desktop.

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Post by Guest91283 »

kbenson wrote: post #591
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You kind of are a slave aren't you? After all you can only auto update microsoft and store apps. Other apps will either handle updates themselves probably with an annoying UAC prompt and possibly at inconvenient times when you actually want to use the apps. Some have processes that constantly sit in the background sucking up your resources to pop up annoying prompts to update application foo during which you must wat…

> Unbelievably staying on an older still supported platform until you are ready to update is a feature you have to pay money for! You are making it sound like they are forcing, or even automatically upgrading Windows 7 to Windows 8, or Windows 8 to Windows 10. They aren't. You have to specifically choose the 8->10 update, even if you are getting updates automatically installed. > I'm talking about the future equivale…

"You are making it sound like they are forcing, or even automatically upgrading Windows 7 to Windows 8, or Windows 8 to Windows 10. They aren't."

That's not true. They're automatically upgrading computers. Read some of the thousands of below comments to hear the stories. My Windows 8.1 laptop automatically scheduled itself to upgrade, and I was fortunate enough to be paying close attention to cancel it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/4a0asv/warning_...

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/4a5edx/psa_window...

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Post by willtim »

diyorgasms wrote: post #494
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Maybe HDMI is better supported that DisplayPort.

I've got monitors daisy chained using displayport on Debian, in mixed portrait and landscape modes. This is using an NVIDIA card and GNOME. It was plug-and-play.

That's great that it works for you. But for Skylake hardware, Displayport MST is completely broken and Intel have no plans to fix. The major players simply are not heavily investing in desktop linux, leaving the community to try and fill the gaps.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by osweiller »

kayoone wrote: post #678
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HN had a huge influx of developers who predominately (or only) work on the Microsoft platform, and it has been readily apparent in the stories that rise to the top, and the dominant reactions (e.g. cynical takes are quickly transparent. Exaggerated "this changes everything!" comments rise to the top). This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it does heavily slant the coverage and slant of the conversation. And as you…

Only that all big Software or hardware companies do this... Apple keeps the doors closed to anything not in their full control, nvidia was pushing for open standards when they were the underdogs and now they have a lot of proprietary stuff, Google with Gtalk/Jabber etc etc. It's pretty ignorant to only paint MS that way imo. I also believe MS is a very different company today with a different strategy because they lo…

This thread and discussion is about Microsoft. Comments like yours -- these "cry for Microsoft...what about others!" are misdirected and totally out of context.

But if we really need to be juvenile and discuss everything to discuss anything, Apple is a greedy, voracious company. They are never presented otherwise, and cynicism meets all of their activities. But it's open and honest, and Apple doesn't try to be who they aren't, and users don't treat their actions as selfless gifts to the world. We all expect almost everything Google does to somehow pull in more ad data, to pull people to the fold, etc.

It's only with Microsoft where this naive "oooh, whole new company. So good" nonsense appears, and it grows incredibly tiring and seems more like a bad astroturfing campaign.

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