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Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by cyphar »

pookeh wrote: post #339
riotdash wrote: post #321

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Let's be honest here. Does this change make some developers actually even consider to change their OS X/Linux Desktops to Windows? Yeah it is really cool thing that we can finally use windows cmd like the terminal on unix systems however: - What about lack of all the Linux/OS X GUI software? - What about lack of all the UNIX OS features? - What about all those billions and billions of Windows malware, viruses, adware…

While I prefer to develop today on OS X...your post is nothing but FUD. > What about lack of all the Linux/OS X GUI software? Windows prolly has more GUI applications than both those OSes combined. That's not necessarily a good thing but it's not bad either. It just means there is a Win substitute for everything. > What about lack of all the UNIX OS features? Same answer as above. > What about all those billions and…

> > What about all the spying and restrictions that Microsoft has integrated into the Windows?

> If you don't give permission the action is not taken. Granted I am currently getting spammed to update my home computer from win 7 to 10 but it hasn't force installed on me. Likewise for automatic updates.

Except for the actions that the operating system doesn't tell you about, and you can't be sure about becuase it's proprietary (Windows has at least 3 backdoors and spy features that we know of, and none of them ask for permission). And all of the DRM and related malicious functionality that stops you from doing things you'd obviously want to do with your computer.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by wvenable »

SNvD7vEJ wrote: post #192
mmebane wrote: post #54

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> It seems they are taking the same route as cygwin by "mounting" windows drives in /mnt/c (or /cygdrive/c). I wonder if this Unix filesystem layer will be able to break the Windows legacy path length limit. If so, the Linux version of Node.js will suddenly become much more useful than the Windows version. > It remains to be seen if this is better (more performant) or worse Sounds like performance, at least, will be…

So, max path length in Linux user space will be about 215 chars? (for it to be accessible from Windows user space) MAX_PATH in Windows = 260 Path to Linux file system root from Windows user space: "C:\Users\ \AppData\Local\Lxss\rootfs\" - about 45 chars Max depth reachable from Windows user space = 260 - 45 = 215

Well the very first thing I'd do is symlink/junction point that to something like C:\Users\\Linux or even C:\Linux if I feel particularly single-user.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by moron4hire »

ageofwant wrote: post #539
mcpherrinm wrote: post #306

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Fortunately X11 is "network transparent" and there's X11 servers for windows. It shouldn't actually be that hard to make this work (though the perf will probably be pretty bad in a naive implementation). At very worst you could SSH to localhost and X11-forward to the same host -- but you can optimize that.

Or you could just use ubuntu... It amazes me that people will rag on linux because its "hard" and then build these elaborate Rube-Goldberg machines to avoid the most obvious solution.

Are those the same people? I don't think those are the same people.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by nl »

riotdash wrote: post #321
talawahdotnet wrote: post #242

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Yea, I think they are going after developers who use OS X because it is UNIXy. Smart move given how en vogue Apple laptops have become for developers these days.

Let's be honest here. Does this change make some developers actually even consider to change their OS X/Linux Desktops to Windows? Yeah it is really cool thing that we can finally use windows cmd like the terminal on unix systems however: - What about lack of all the Linux/OS X GUI software? - What about lack of all the UNIX OS features? - What about all those billions and billions of Windows malware, viruses, adware…

In a totally non scientific survey 2/5 developers here plan to switch from our top of the line MacBooks to Windows 10 if this really works as promised.

We are a Python, Java and Scala shop.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by randiantech »

sbarre wrote: post #215
icefox wrote: post #162

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Some long term thoughts: 1) Linux has won the server (web) market. Developers would like to use a Unix box to work on their server code so they typically move to OS X. This could prevent that switch because they can still use Windows to developer their Linux server software. 2) Many projects start out as Linux and stay Linux and are only ported after much time and effort to Windows. Enterprises when faced with a tool…

Your first point describes me exactly (and many other developers I know). I grew up a Windows user, and switched to OS X because of the unix-like command line environment that more closely matched the servers I was working with in my job environments. I would most likely switch back to Windows as my primary/only machine (because I also like to play video games sometimes) if I had the same kind of unix-like command li…

This absolutely represents my case. I bought a MBP just because unix-like command line. IF Windows would provide a this feature at that moment (and giving the case this thing work as intended) I mostly probably would bought an XPS laptop.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by cyphar »

andersen1488 wrote: post #542
13of40 wrote: post #244

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> I grew up a Windows user, and switched to OS X because of the unix-like command line environment that more closely matched the servers I was working with in my job environments. Out of curiosity, why would you not just go with a Linux desktop for that?

Linux on the desktop is awful, and anyone who says otherwise is in denial.

Or maybe they don't need a bunch of proprietary software? I've been running Linux on all of my desktops for the past few years, and I don't find myself wanting anything more. When doing research, working on free software, etc. I don't need anything I can't get on Linux. I don't play games anymore, so that basically removes most of the "Linux on the desktop" issues that people have.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by brianwawok »

ageofwant wrote: post #539
mcpherrinm wrote: post #306

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Fortunately X11 is "network transparent" and there's X11 servers for windows. It shouldn't actually be that hard to make this work (though the perf will probably be pretty bad in a naive implementation). At very worst you could SSH to localhost and X11-forward to the same host -- but you can optimize that.

Or you could just use ubuntu... It amazes me that people will rag on linux because its "hard" and then build these elaborate Rube-Goldberg machines to avoid the most obvious solution.

Ubuntu being has hard nothing to do with why I don't use it as a desktop or laptop environment (but in fact I use for every server I touch if at all possible)

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by coldtea »

ageofwant wrote: post #539
mcpherrinm wrote: post #306

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Fortunately X11 is "network transparent" and there's X11 servers for windows. It shouldn't actually be that hard to make this work (though the perf will probably be pretty bad in a naive implementation). At very worst you could SSH to localhost and X11-forward to the same host -- but you can optimize that.

Or you could just use ubuntu... It amazes me that people will rag on linux because its "hard" and then build these elaborate Rube-Goldberg machines to avoid the most obvious solution.

>It amazes me that people will rag on linux because its "hard" and then build these elaborate Rube-Goldberg machines to avoid the most obvious solution.

It amazes that people don't understand that one's usage patterns might be different, so "just use Ubuntu" wouldn't be applicable (e.g. UNIX savvy guy who appreciates the shells and userland, but nevertheless wants to do Windows .NET development, or work with native and proprietary Windows programs the rest of the time).

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by brianwawok »

13of40 wrote: post #244
sbarre wrote: post #215

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Your first point describes me exactly (and many other developers I know). I grew up a Windows user, and switched to OS X because of the unix-like command line environment that more closely matched the servers I was working with in my job environments. I would most likely switch back to Windows as my primary/only machine (because I also like to play video games sometimes) if I had the same kind of unix-like command li…

> I grew up a Windows user, and switched to OS X because of the unix-like command line environment that more closely matched the servers I was working with in my job environments. Out of curiosity, why would you not just go with a Linux desktop for that?

For my desktop.. it does non worky things. For example I Zwift and I Game. Neither work well enough in Linux.

For my laptops... always had linux laptop problems. Sometimes have gotten really close to all the way working.. but then maybe I will find out my battery drains in 2 hours because some power saving feature is broke in my kernel and I cannot be arsed to go fix it, rather just buy a macbook.

Now for this vs macbook.. it depends how next macbook line looks. I need a 32GB ram laptop. If Apple skips that ship again, this will start to look pretty dang appealing.

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