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Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Interesting! I've been following Flinux [1], but it's not ready for day to day use. I hope this one will be soon! [1]: https://github.com/wishstudio/flinux/

Flinux was the first thing in my mind when I saw this. Could this be inspired from it? In which case, at least some sort of recognition or attribution would have been great considering the amount of effort Flinux author has put into it.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

#572
post #244

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> I grew up a Windows user, and switched to OS X because of the unix-like command line environment that more closely matched the servers I was working with in my job environments. Out of curiosity, why would you not just go with a Linux desktop for that?

Same history here. I did actually use Linux for quite a while but ultimately gave up because Linux just isn't good at the one job only an operating system can do, which is to make the hardware available in a reliable and efficient manner. I just got tired of fixing sound issues, trying to make a scanner work or investigating CPU states to fix heat and battery draining issues on yet another laptop. Ultimately, I think…

That's anecdata. Of course it can work the other way too. I've got a printer/scanner which "just works" with Linux. On Windows however they need crazy, proprietary driver/application which always lives in the traybar and tries hard to take over native windows settings.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

#573
post #339

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While I prefer to develop today on OS X...your post is nothing but FUD. > What about lack of all the Linux/OS X GUI software? Windows prolly has more GUI applications than both those OSes combined. That's not necessarily a good thing but it's not bad either. It just means there is a Win substitute for everything. > What about lack of all the UNIX OS features? Same answer as above. > What about all those billions and…

"Windows prolly has more GUI applications than both those OSes combined." Oh...right all those cool FREE_VIDEO_CONVERTER_YOUTUBE_MP4_DOWNLOAD_FAST_FREE_GREEN_CARD.EXE applications...right.... Now days all the developer/engineer GUI apps are made OS X first, Linux second and maybe Windows. "I download a lot of crap on my home Win computer and haven't had a virus once in the past 6 or 7 years. There are likely more And…

> Now days all the developer/engineer GUI apps are made OS X first, Linux second and maybe Windows.

That's not even close to true, you're living in a bubble. Windows and windows apps still dominate the world, by a long shot.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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why don't you trust Lenovo?

bad build quality. also had issues with humming and generally falling apart in subtle ways while macbooks never do.

Lots of cheap plastic. I don't love Apple products but the build quality of their products makes PC vendor laptops and desktops look really bad.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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post #182

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I haven't read anything that indicates that it will support GUI apps, but anything purely CLI based should work.

I wonder if these utilities can reach a locally-running X server?

If nothing else, based on the capabilities demonstrated so far, you should (theoretically) be able to run local Linux X client apps to a Windows X server over localhost TCP. You'll miss out on a few optimisations available when using shared memory, but not much.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Yea, I think they are going after developers who use OS X because it is UNIXy. Smart move given how en vogue Apple laptops have become for developers these days.

>Yea, I think they are going after developers who use OS X because it is UNIXy It's a bit more than UNIXy, (the proper term is Unix-like), it literally is UNIX. It meets the UNIX 03 specifications . Also, the motivations for these move predate the rise in popularity of Apple. For years, one of the biggest complaints about Windows was the lack of a good command line interface. There was the legacy CMD.EXE, which provi…

> Some people bemoan the fact that the CLI never evolved past its UNIX origins, but the reality is these tools work just fine. There's never been a reason to evolve them.

This seems like a prime example of the "Anything I am good at using is objectively easy to use" fallacy that's common to programmers.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Yea, I think they are going after developers who use OS X because it is UNIXy. Smart move given how en vogue Apple laptops have become for developers these days.

Let's be honest here. Does this change make some developers actually even consider to change their OS X/Linux Desktops to Windows? Yeah it is really cool thing that we can finally use windows cmd like the terminal on unix systems however: - What about lack of all the Linux/OS X GUI software? - What about lack of all the UNIX OS features? - What about all those billions and billions of Windows malware, viruses, adware…

I have been running Windows, Mac OS, Linux (Minix at one point and other variants), for over 20 years. They each have their strengths and weaknesses. Linux is the go to language for servers right now. I have made most of my machines dual-boot, Linux/Windows. I have given up on OS X's walled garden, and it is not as nimble as it once was. For me, the dependency hell, and trying to build an app I want to use that breaks another on Linux can eat a lot of time, and takes a lot of Googling to maybe get it working. Granted this is for possibly the type of programs I am targeting: livecoding environments like Extempore, Tidal; machine learning and CUDA/OpenCL versions and dependencies, etc... Being a problem solver, sometimes this is fun, but when trying to produce work, it can be a big time waster. I think most Linux users are tinkerers whereas there are some technically naive people who are very productive on Windows. Personally, I use programs like Clip Studio Paint on my Windows Sony tablet PC, and it is only available on Windows and Mac. For programs like these there are no acceptable Linux variations. I tried to work with GIMP for years, even writing my own scripts in it. For the present I will stick with my dual-boot machines, probably welcome this new edition to Windows, and keep hoping a new OS or variant comes along that is truly innovative. To me Linux won the contest years ago, but is not a big ball of mud. Here's to a Lisp Machine, or Forth OS, or Urbit-like system coming online. More time to waste and have fun; Linux is so 2000s!

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Imagine going back in time to the 90s and telling people that in 2016 Microsoft would bend over backwards to make sure Windows could run Linux ELF binaries natively in the kernel by converting syscalls. You'd probably be laughed at.

They'd laugh, because NT already had posix system calls http://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/1...

POSIX calls, which have always been there but require a recompiled binary, are different than the binary compatibility announced today. This additional step is actually quite an impressive feat of software engineering. To think that Microsoft would care so much about maintaining compatibility would have seemed ridiculous just a few years ago.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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post #114

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> I'm constantly thinking of moving to OSX as my primary OS is the amount of command-line tooling that is available in the system. Everything new is always there first. Having had OS X, Windows, and various Linux distributions as my primary operating systems I would consider having an Arch Linux VM kicking around if you want all the packages in the world, maintained fairly well.

I've done so in the past, but it becomes cumbersome to manage shared folders. The ability to have everything shared and your driver naturally working under /mnt/ - essentially replacing cmd with bash and its tools - is a big deal for me. Using editing/managing/design tools in Windows build with a build/deploy system in bash, and no middle man... that'd be the day.

You don't use shared folders with your linux VM, you ssh to it, and use tmux/(vim|emacs) ;)
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